That's what I'm figuring.
That's why I asked for the exact wording so I could deconstruct it.
No need now. There shouldn't have been a need to begin with.
A lot changed in a year. It's clear as day now Galactus > Odin. Once issue 6 (Mighty Thor) came out and I read the whole thing, it was pretty much over.
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“As vexing… infuriating… as these barbarians may be, they are gods, they are power and fury and an act of war against a race of gods is beyond even you. Even now they return from space, they ready for war with you.”
It really looks like Surfer was telling Galactus to back off, because this is a fight he can not win.
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Why do you assume your conclusion big Leo... If majestic beats superman in a hard fight.. Does that mean Majestic ALWAYS beats superman like you're implying? Or is that just one fight.. and when a fight is a struggle... it's safe to assume it could go either way in many cases. True?
So, why do you assume Galactus would always beat Tyrant? their battle lasted 1000's of years... it destroyed galaxies AS A SIDE EFFECT of their battle. That doesn't side like a one sided beat down that would always go Big G's way does it?
Further, why couldn't it e that Tyrant.. having been in hiding for hundreds if not thousands of years.. had either developed a new trick or just become or adept at his powers.. Why is tha possible? Why do you take the route of.. ohhh it was PIS and Galactus was an idiot?
What do you mean not equal.. Did you read the comics big leo? Tyrant was MADE IN GALACTUS IMAGE to be his EQUAL partner in the universe. Where are you getting this notion that Tyrant was made to be weaker let alone considerably weaker than Galactus?
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well, you already saw ss's quote. if you want to somehow say ss was wrong, or...lying, or......is not a reliable narrator, it's on you. personally, i think it is beyond stupid and and verges on a seemingly inexplicable desperation to somehow claim that g was 'just fine' after that headbutt. after he got up, what did he DO exactly? nothing. we have ss TELLING him he can't win. sure g throws a bit of a hissy fit. and....? who cares, he would have lost. ss says so. at the start, he's whipping out cosmic demons no problem. now, after the headbutt ko? he rises, does.....NOTHING. and at this point he still doesn't know the seed is gone. yeah, makes sense that he was at the same level of power as he was when he began. if you seriously believe that, well......good luck to you.
it's as much for me as it is for the galactus side though. that's all's i'm saying.
he did create an army of demons, he did get ko'd. and we can assume his tp battle drained him as well, as he was sweating through it and his tp functions off his pc as well. not to mention getting smashed by thor. so, yeah--i'd say all those things would deplete him more than busting thanos' shield--a LOT more. and if he went through energy just breaking a shield, to think he was 'fine and dandy' after getting back up really is pretty hilarious.
of course not, nor am i trying to convince you OR anyone else on your side. the issue i've had all along is with this ridiculous notion that it's somehow 'factual' that galactus was portrayed as being far above odin, when in fact if the whole arc is looked it, that couldn't be further from the truth.
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lol
well, good thing you didn't bet then.....i said he was READY to fight. he was. and he wasn't hungry. he wasn't. does a dead world supply him with the same energy as a living world? no, but that doesn't mean he was hungry, or weak at all. so.....yeah, my point stands very much correctly.
where had morg gone....? when he has a herald, HE doesn't look for planets....
and?
lol
yep, thor was getting whipped by cap and you're actually USING that to support your stance. nice.
ignored it? i've already said countless times g was more powerful. you guys can't seem to get that little tidbit through your skulls. it's like you keep thinking you surprise me/us or something. the thing YOU keep ignoring is the arc in its entirety. in the scene where ss and galactus propose their truce, odin flat out humiliates galactus.
"any move against the seed and we will put out boots to your neck."
"waste your existence waiting the end of ours so you can reclaim what is MINE AFTER i'm gone...."
and this after he refused to somehow free up the world tree. ss even stayed behind and g had to take on a NEW herald. and yet you all want to claim that g suffered all this DESPITE being>>>>>odin and asgard? after he was ko'd (byb someone supposedly<<<<<<himself. after a massive tp battle unlike any we've ever seen him. despite ss TELLING him he couldn't win the battle. despite the fact that while odin was physically hurting, he still had the destroyer to work with and continue fighting--stronger than ever.
yet, in the face of all that, g>>>>>>>odin, therefore tyrant>>>>>>odin? man, and you say WE'RE missing the boat...? pfft.
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absolutely. but we don't really KNOW what the battle was like, like g was like afterwards, so it's supposition. we also know that first battle took place when tyrant was at the HEIGHT of his power. hard to say how different that makes things.
well......because the scene specifically states that "galactus forgot" about tyrant's power. prior to that, tyrant was immediately thinking he'd made a mistake in fighting him. that tells me pretty clearly that g was more powerful--considerably--but that tyrant was aided by g's stupidity. i mean he FORGOT? c'mon kt....
in the second battle, (the one relevant to this discussion) i already explained why i think tyrant wasn't all that close to galactus. he needed a very specific form of plot help. namely, amnesia.....
the idea is pretty simple to me. based on tyrant's initial reaction to g, it was very clear to me he was below galactus. we also have odin below galactus. further below? probably. a LOT further below? not imo. at all. now we add the destroyer armour which makes odin more powerful and suddenly the gap between odin and tyrant is even less, if it exists at all.
tyrant vs odin in the armour is a toss up, and could go either way imo. and odin in the armour could def give g a good run and he would have to be at a very high energy level to take him out in any way resembling easy. imo.
there seems to be a lot of picking and choosing in this thread. people look at one piece of the battle between odin and galactus, but (after whining and crying that we can't read!!1!) seem to lack the very basic comprehension skills necessary to view the arc in its entirety to get the message that was being sent. anyone who reads that and says g was the clear cut winner, and fabricating things or is blatantly an odin hater. which i personally find hilarous......
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Morg wasn't out looking for planets for Galactus because :
a) Morg already found him a planet teeming with life and Galactus consumed it (please log in to view the image)
b) Morg went out to find his axe that Terrax stole (please log in to view the image)
At the end of the herald Ordeal Morg died (after finding a world of Galactus to consume) and Firelord and Airwalker were his heralds (SS 75-77). Galactus uses his tech to rez Morg and he goes after his axe which Terrax stole (SS 78-79). Morg is delayed and Galactus goes looking for him, PISSED OFF : (please log in to view the image)
Then he takes Tyrant by surprise because Tyrant is unaware Galactus is coming for his herald.
You didn't read the issues and have no clue what you are talking about yet you continue with this. Galactus had already feasted on a world teeming with life that's why he was aboard his ship doing experiments (ie rezzing Morg using his tech).
A FED Galactus Backed down from Tyrant. You fail...............AGAIN.
And YOU brought up Captain America/Thor example remember?
And I showed you how wrong you were. Cap surprised Thor during the Reigning Arc and pwned him. Galactus surprised Tyrant and backed off.
Another fail on your part my friend.
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I look at that statement as a ploy by Surfer to not bring unnecessary destruction towards Asgard. This is the same Surfer who witnessed a herald my rage blast firsthand. In no way did he allude to Galactus not being able to emerge the victor. Surfer spoke of warriors on the verge of returning, who would fight to the death (their death) and it was beyond him to wage a war with those ramifications. Given G's history, this armada would be mere fodder vs a pissed Galactus. Surfer knows that and even tried to bait G into finding other worlds to deter G from this probability. IMO Surfer was looking out for the safety of Asgard.
What do you mean he did nothing? While Odin is catching zzzzzz's, G is assembling his converter.
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Galactus is about to wipe Asgard off the map. Here comes Surfer to save the day again.
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Actually, it's not.
G was up on the next page while Odin entered Odinsleep. He got up and had to be halted by surfer twice. You have no evidence other than a little sweat from a tp battle to suggest a drop in stamina or energy expenditure. Against Hunger, he spent energy on Thanos' best shielding + attacking Hunger, and still had enough to tank planet collision. He is not without reserves.
G is up by a substantial margin. Odin with help from Thor ran out of strength (tp loss + ko upon physical contact). That's 2 losses in my book. Pretty lopsided if you ask me. He had no where to go but up with the DA because it couldn't have gotten much worse.
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uh-oh.....you're in for it now my friend..... lol
as for the rest--pretty sure all that can be said has been said--at least by me. i'm good with letting people decide for themselves how this battle would play out. especially since curryman actually made a tally already....
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