Man kills four daughters for "honor".

Originally posted by soleran30
its a weird culture over there............

Ah, so you're saying you don't agree with what he did, but you understand it, because of their culture?

The College i study in has a lot of muslims in it. I've spoken to some that are closer to me about these things. You know what they say? They say what i always thought. That the religion thing is blown out of proportion by the media.
That stories like these happen, yeah, but they're bound to happen once in a while. However, the media make them out to be the consensus for an entire religion.

Kinda like saying every single murder in America is somehow connected to Christianity, and then generalizing, and saying that "American culture is weird.....they condone killing and stuff like that".

Get the idea?

absolutely however acts like these aren't motivated by religion either..........its just the rules in their part of the world..........not to mention there is hindu out there as well but mostly muslims.

Media sucks it makes pawns out of so many people🙂

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
I'm assuming you're of the beautiful sex yes? Well in that case, i can see how you wouldn't understand the importance honor has to a man.

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Originally posted by soleran30
absolutely however acts like these aren't motivated by religion either..........its just the rules in their part of the world..........not to mention there is hindu out there as well but mostly muslims.

Media sucks it makes pawns out of so many people🙂

See, now that's just wrong as well. "it's the rules in their part of the world". Like i said, it's made to appear that way. The American and European people want something shocking. Something they can go "Oh My God" at. So the media create that.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Honor can be self pride.........and hurtful to others.

Yeah? So can love. Only reason you're accusing honor and not love as well is because it's an emotion you probably experience less.

Honor is made by man against another........You might as well equate honor with scripture.........false!

Originally posted by debbiejo
Honor is made by man against another........You might as well equate honor with scripture.........false!

Where'd you get that definition from? Honor is something you're born with, that some people like to keep, some people don't care about, and some people discard.

I thin you're equating honor with war, which would be extremely stupid.

Honor.....Pfft..........a waste.

It makes men in Japan kill themselves, people kill their daughers or kids........People do things they wouldn't feel in their heart to do.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Honor.....Pfft..........a waste.

It makes men in Japan kill themselves, people kill their daughers or kids........People do things they wouldn't feel in their heart to do.

Love......Pffft.......a waste.

It makes teenage girls kill themselves, husbands kill their adultering wives, kings start wars..........People do things they wouldn't feel in their heart to do.

Can you see how flawed your argument is?

Non conditionial love does NOT do these things........It's conditionial love that does...........conditions made by man just as honor is made by man to fulfill a need of doing to make better.

Wars are vendettas of honor.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Non condition love does NOT do these things........It's condition love that does...........conditions made by man just as honor is made by man to fulfill a need of doing to make better.

Are you talking like Yoda on purpose? Cause it's hard trying to decypher what you're saying when the sentences have no logic 😬

On the contrary my naive little friend. It is indeed non-conditioned love that does those things. The kind of love that affects you on a biological level.

The only reason you don't understand the flaws in your argument is that you don't really experience the feeling of honor too often i suppose.
In other words, it's easy to accuse honor of all those things, cause you're not "guilty" of it.
But therein lies the great fallacy. Love is responsible of the same things you say honor is. Just like any human emotion. But you experience those, so admitting to that would mean accusing yourself as well.

Are you saying that love is the equivalent as honor?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Are you saying that love is the equivalent as honor?

No i'm not. I think what i'm saying is obvious enough if you read it.

For some reason men seem to feel they need to be in such an honorable position as to kill themselves because they cannot find a job?.Japan..To belittle themselves because their daughters might defile them in some way?....False honor in my opinion....Love is nothing like that....Love lets be to what ever might be for the betterment of another..........Honor be cursed!! Honor hurts a heart, honor kills, honor demeans others, honor keeps one from loving.

Originally posted by debbiejo
For some reason men seem to feel they need to be in such an honorable position as to kill themselves because they cannot find a job?.Japan..To belittle themselves because their daughters might defile them in some way?....False honor in my opinion....Love is nothing like that....Love lets be to what ever might be for the betterment of another..........Honor be cursed!! Honor hurts a heart, honor kills, honor demeans others, honor keeps one from loving.

No. For some reason, SOME men feel that they've let themselves down by not having a job, and so they take the easy way out. Also, for some reason, SOME men feel the need to kill their daughters because they feel betrayed, etc. etc.
And that's not honor, like i said from my first post in this thread. You sound like you're a very naive teenage girl with no idea of:

1. what the world is like
2. how to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

How would you like me to generalize (like you) and say "for some reason women commit suicide because their boyfriends or husbands leave them".

You're generalizing all over the place with your false assumptions and such. Throwing around big words while you clearly have no idea what you're saying.
Love hurts hearts, love demeans others, love can make you a pathetic shell of a person.

Stop generalizing, grow up and don't be a hypocrite 🙂

There's an honor of respect and an honor of self gratification to make right.

Respect doesn't NEED honor. It just is. It's felt. You don't have to prove it. It's known.

Honor is soooooooo male is mind boggling.

Actually Bebbie I know some honourable women 🙂

Originally posted by debbiejo
There's an honor of respect and an honor of self gratification to make right.

Respect doesn't NEED honor. It just is. It's felt. You don't have to prove it. It's known.

Honor is soooooooo male is mind boggling.

The way you use stereotypes denotes just how immature you are 🙂

wouldn't you agree Whirly?

Whirly??????? OH god...... hahhahahaha....whirly wouldn't support me.

Honor is destructive IMO............so male........And no I'm not a teenager. I live in the world of it...........Honor Pfft.

Honor in it's true form is admirable, but not in histories sake and not in some of todays thinking.

Everyone should have self respect, but this WHOLE HONOR thing is totally a male soooo male "I gotta get you back" Families sake, loves sake, nations sake........EGO.

Hurts people

Originally posted by debbiejo
Whirly??????? OH god...... hahhahahaha....whirly wouldn't support me.

I wouldn't in this Bebs

honour has many meanings in English including 4: a woman's virtue or chastity [syn: honor, purity] nothing male there.

1: the state of being honored [syn: honor, laurels] [ant: dishonor] 2: a tangible symbol signifying approval or distinction; "an award for bravery" [syn: award, accolade, honor, laurels] 3: the quality of being honorable and having a good name; "a man of honor" [syn: honor] [ant: dishonor] 4: a woman's virtue or chastity [syn: honor, purity] v 1: bestow honor or rewards upon; "Today we honor our soldiers"; "The scout was rewarded for courageus action" [syn: honor, reward] [ant: dishonor] 2: show respect towards; "honor your parents!" [syn: respect, honor, abide by, observe] [ant: disrespect] 3: accept as pay; "we honor checks and drafts" [syn: honor] [ant: dishonor]

honour isn't always a bad thing Bebs

“Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud.”
Sophocles quotes (One of classical Athens' three great tragic playwrights)

Unfortunately the man in this threads understanding of honour like many is twisted.