I say Beast talks Thing to death about art and physics and Shakespeare, and Ben says f*ck it and bounces.
And Thing is WELL beyond Beast in strength, for those that didn't know. And an explosive? It better be strong enough to take out a city block if it's even gonna scratch Thing.
spidey did say beast was superior in agility, i just dont think anyone knows the character well or likes him much so they'd detest their little eyes out, but spidey did acknowledge it in an xmen comic i'll have to scrounge up the comics for reference, besides that he's been called "master of agility" by a ton of characters in xmen comics and his solo comic
Beast does obviously have greater agility here and is alot smarter but I dont think he has a chance at all againt Thing. Not many Earthbound heroes do. Beast is strong also but not on Things level. I dont see any way Beast can inflict damage to him. It would be a cool match to see though but Beast will go down.
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In an X-Men comic. He admitted in through the mouth of an X-Men writer. Doesn't make it so, Spider-Man is THE top agility character in the Marvel Universe outside the cosmic world, and has been since Stan Lee created him (unless you count Speedball, but that's debatable and he's a nobody anyway.) I don't hate Beast, I think he's cool, but Spider-Man is untouchable in the agility department, that's just the way it is. It would be like a Spider-Man writer having Beast admit Spidey was stronger, it's just not correct.
Well it is possible that Beast has more agility than Spidey, but Spidey is definately more versitile due to webbing.
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spidermans has superhuman strength, reflexes, and equilibrium, while beast has superhuman strength, speed, agility, endurance, reflexes, dexterity, and acrobatic prowess
beast is the master of agility, and has sure as hell shown it in comics
spider-sense has nothing to do at all with agility, but it does have to do with reflexes
It's been shown Spider-Man is master of agility. He's dodged machine gun fire, twisted in plenty of impossible positions, and according to Mary Jane, does amazing things in bed *that's why he's called the Amazing Spider-Man* You didn't list agility for his powers, when it's well-known that it's his greatest asset, outside his spider-sense. Beast is stronger, but not more agile.
dodging machine gun fire would have to do with reflexes, twisting in plenty of impossible ways (which i've never seen him do to a rediculous extent) has to do with body contortion not agility, agility would be perfect balance and gracefulness, which obviously spidey has alot of, and beast definitely being the best at it
beast has fought multiple enemies while standing on a finger, spinning, launching himself into the air (with his finger) and backflipping, thats agility....not being able to dodge machine gun fire and twisting your body
Reflexes are part of a person's agility, as is twisting one's body. Gracefullness is only a small part of it. Maybe that's the problem, you are perceiving agility differently from myself. All these qualities are included in the agility category, that's why Spider-Man is superior. Dodging machine-gun fire and twisting one's body IS agility.
youre thinking in a smaller scope, when you think of solitary abilities you have to think of strength, speed, agility, endurance, reflexes, and dexterity, now all of these lie within eachothers bounds, but none the less are different abilities
Agility - the gracefulness of a person or animal that is quick and nimble.
Reflexes - involuntary movement. Response to a stimulus.
Reflexes in comic terms are related to agility, I'm not talking about medical terminology. Spider-man cannot dodge machine-gun fire based on reflexes alone, he does it because of his agility. Wolverine has just as good reflexes, but nowhere near as good agility, and he's not going to be dodging machine-gun fire. The actual Marvel categories are strength, speed, agility, durability, fighting ability, and intelligence. Reflexes are not a separate category, but included in agility. Spider-Man is level 6 *out of 7 in the old rankings*, the only ones greater are the cosmic characters.
The fact remains agility includes reflexes. Spider-Man is not 6 out of 7 in reflexes, he's 6 out of 7 in agility. That's not me making up numbers, that's what Marvel has said. Since 1962 Spider-Man has been TOPS in agility, that's just the way he is. Not simply reflexes alone, but agility.
That directory can't be right, it says Beast is only capable of lifting 1 ton. Spider-Man is capable of lifting more than 10...I think Beast is stronger than that.
Anyway, regarding the fighting people while balancing, haven't you seen Spider-Man fight before? He's been known to do that if he's in a jovial mood and playing around with his 'prey.'
i've seen spidey fight, he's never done anything like that, i'd like to see a pic where spidey is fighting upside down standing on one finger against a strong enemy, beast is the master of agility, he has perfect balance, he's the most graceful, i cant give you the issue where spidey acknowledges beasts superior agility because i havent scrounged it up yet, reflexes and agility definitely arent the same ability, the simple definitions i posted prove that
at the time the bio's were made that was beasts strength, but along his history he's shown to have increases in strength, but i dont know if its at par with spidey's
spidey does indeed show great feats of agility, he's still amazing, but imo beast has the superior agility and has shown it even more throughout his comic books http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/cover...0&CAT=cover nothing big but its just a quick cover shot i think is cool
No, you posted definitions directly contrary to the way Marvel has always stated it to be. Again, Spider-Man's mastery of agility isn't a topic of debate because Stan Lee has said it for over 40 years. And Spidey has fought like that, I don't know about standing on one finger, though he could, but he's done all sorts of acrobatic flips and fighting upside down and doing handstands with one hand, etc. etc. His agility is exactly what enables him to twist in the air and web-swing the way he does with his limbs in all different inhuman positions. And again, that issue was an X-Men issue, if it was in a Spider-Man issue it would have stated Spidey as the more agile of the two.
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