It brought down Grey Hulk, which is the weakest of them all. I'm far from convinced it will work on Juggernaut.
I don't think Dooms' armor possesses the raw power required to beat Juggernaut, or to get his helmet off. He probably can beat him, but not without some serious prep-time.
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get his helmet off? a lot of people have gotten off that helmet with far less power than Doom...a single blast from his gauntlet destroyed a sentinel that was killing Rogue and Joseph in the Onslaught story. It doesnt matter if Grey Hulk is weaker, we have already seen Nimrod use similar tech to beat Juggernaut in the past, we already know it works against him.
About the helmet : fair enough, but it still won't be easy to get that thing off, and I don't see Doom climbing Juggernaut and start unscrewing his helmet. And Juggernaut is not going to take a nap in the mean time.
Well, to be more precise, it's not entirely clear how Doom destroyed that Sentinel, I don't remember him pointing at the Sentinel and firing some laserbeams or rockets or whatever out of his gauntlet. The Sentinel suddenly explodes, and that's it, and before you know it, Doom comes walking in (in his typical Doom-way).
I still think we can not compare Grey Hulk with Juggernaut, and the technology Doom has with Nimrod-technology. Assuming that it could also work on Juggernaut is only speculation.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
ughhh...here are some FACTS...not my opinion...for the fanboys who still think Jug cant be stopped by Doom.
Uncanny X-Men #194
-Juggernaut was coming for Nimrod after Nimrod blasted him and destroyed his outfit.
-Nimrod used some kind of energy attack to pick Juggernaut off the ground he was walking on (yes stopped the Juggernaut) and blasted him through a building
-When Juggernaut got up he said:"Wow!, Aint never been hit so hard...I thought only the Hulk could pull a stunt like that"
-eventually, Jug. charged Nimrod, Nimrod sidestepped and knocked off Jug's helmet with one back hand...
-then Juggernaut said: "My helmet--but it's seal was s'posed to be unbreakable, Tom Promised!"
-Then without the his helmet, Juggernaut was blasted from Nimrod's eyes with "tight beam ultra high frequency sonics"
-once Jug was apparently ko'd...Nimrod used a neural dislocuter to keep his nerve impulses from reaching his body, leaving him limp and paralized
Jug. was clearly outmatched by Nimrod...Nimrod soundly beat him without argument, while fighting Rogue, Colossus, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Shadowcat...basically, Jug. got his ass kicked in a 6 on 1 fight against Nimrod.(My opinion)
In X-Men #56
-The Sentinel that was about to terminate Rogue and Joseph, was suddenly struck in the face with a blast and destroyed
-Then Doom is seen standing in front of it
-He says: "Still who but I could construct a gauntlet capable of destroying a sentinel with such precision? There is more genius in the palm of my glove than in the entire scheme of Onslaught..."
Thus Im pretty sure Doom's gauntlet/palm of his glove, was the source of the blast that destroyed the sentinel(my opinion)...I think he could easily take off Jug' helmet with a similar blast considering Nimrod easily swatted it off
In FF#320 Doom shot Hulk in the head with a neural scrambler that left the Hulk unable to walk, let alone fight Doom...the same tech that Nimrod used to take down Jug.
Conclusion: Doom has the same tech available as Nimrod to take him down, Jug can be hurt from the high frequency sonics and paralized by neural dislocation.
Lol, thanks for all the information, but I have read the stories you're talking about. Juggernaut was indeed getting his ass handed by him (though I suspect it was only to show how dangerous Nimrod can be) and Nimrod is extremely dangerous. It's by the way the same comic where Colossus in his pyjamas shouts something like "Finally, Juggernaut, now I'll have my revenge". Strong words for a guy wearing his pyjamas and who always gets defeated by Juggernaut
But still, there is absolutely no proof that Doom possesses the same technology as Nimrod, especially not when you know Nimrod is from the future (yeah I know Doom has a time machine but I really don't see him shopping in future weapon stores).
I don't think it's correct to assume that a weapon that Doom used on Grey Hulk is the same as the one Nimrod used against Juggernaut. The best we can say is that the weapons are a bit similar. To give an example : the Nimrod weapon hurt like hell (Juggernaut was screaming !), while the Doom weapon only made Grey Hulk look like a drunk.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
no...Nimrod used 2 weapons, one was painful, the sonics...the other was a neuro dislocuter...Doom never said what his weapon actually was, he simply shot Hulk with it and said "Ive scrambled the nerve impulses in your brain so you cannot make use of your strength"...it sounds like and looks like the same thing...first you're denying that they are not of the same nature, next your questioning if Doom has the technology of someone>? Doom has had access to the technology of Hyperstorm and Kang(far more advanced and further in the future than Nimrod), has assimilated and used technology of Watchers, and Galactus without any difficulty and u dont think he can keep up with Nimrod?
I think your trying really hard to defeng Jug
Yea the Colossus thing was hilarious...he is watching tv and stands up and transforms into his steel form, ripping his pajamas apart! "I must fight Juggernaut!"
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