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long pig
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GR is all about takin out badguys....wolvie isnt a badguy so why mess his head up with his PS? yeah that was wierd i remember that....he stuck him and like...flipped out...i think maybe just because of who GR is...he is the living embodiment of vengence from heaven...wolvie prolly didnt enjoy dealing with that...ghost has all kindsa psychic/mystical powers emitting from him...who knows.


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But if a bad person have only done physical pain to others not psychological pain, will GR stares only make him feel physical pain ? Or if its more kind like metaphysic pain in his soul.


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ummm okay here goes....

Ghost Rider's powers are mystical in origin, (it comes with the territory of being a demon). This has been more or less shown in his appearances with the likes of warlock and strange.
As I stated before the stare can reflect back to the staree all of the physical pain, emotional greif, and psychological damage that the staree has commited on others.
Cain Marko's childhood fears won't effect him because that's not what the stare relfects back to the person.
In physical combat GR is certainly no slouch either. He has probably slightly more physical strength than spidey and while his reflexes and agility are not at spiderman's level, his overall fighting speed is way above peak human levels.
(In one showing a demonic hobgoblin raced all out towards GR at full speed, GR simply stood there and took it, hitting the glider turning it into a pile of shrapnel and knocking hobgoblin back aways.
While Juggs has enormous physical strength, he won't win by physical means, he can only subdue GR for short periods of time sine GR takes only a few moments to reform from dismemeberment.
GR has a weakness to hellfire from other demons like vengeance and zarathos, but since Marko possessess none and is not a demon he has no way to put GR down physically, nor does GR him.....so in the end it will come down to the penance stare. After seeing GR nearly back down Galactus with it, I have no doubts he can do so easily to marko.


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IS GHOST RIDER A DEMON? gOSH, THAT SUCKS! Why would marvel print stuff on a demon!

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He's more like the Grim Reaper though. Or a Object that make sure that evil people like galactus and evil people get punished. So that no injustice goes unpunished. Its just a Comic book character though.

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its simple dami....marvel is a devil worshiping cult...and there going to kill you!


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I mean Ghost rider is a demon but he isn't a evil demon. He's just a tool to avenge those souls who have suffered becasue of evil injustices . I don't know why though he didn't seem to effect Onslaught or I guess they didn't put him in the story. But anyways in the Marvel universe there alot of Characters that do evil and seem to get away with murder. Like Magneto . Magneto killed alot of people. But they never seem or I don't think they have Ghost rider Confront Magneto.

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I don't know why he isn't really a Demon like a evil demon who worships the devil or is on his side. Ghost Rider is not that kinda Demon. He's a made up kind. Ok

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in the marvel u there isnt any clear cut morality.
from the beginning it was namor who was basically trying to help his people...but just going about it in really harsh ways.
onslaught should have been an easy victim for GR.
but they had to make a story longer than a few pages so they left him out.
would silver surfers past come into effect if he got hit with the PS?


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But all I am saying is Ghost Rider is a Demon. But he is a hero. Demons are suppose to be evil. Ghost rider to me is a being who does work like the Grim Reaper brings death Ghost Rider avenges people who have been mistreated or abused by evil.

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Or you know like the spirit of Christmas past like in Scourge . Or not Grim Reaper the Angel of Death. But of course GR is not real. Oh the Spectra is not God's Vengeance. God doesn't need someone else to be vengeful for him. Like God say Vengeance is Mine says the Lord I will repay. Not the spectra or Ghost Rider. So that's why I say there Comic book Characters and there made up.

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Long pig, dont make me have you for breakfast, bacon and eggs with loads of ham and pork pies and hold it! You've got me on a fenzie there! I love bacon! They aint coming to get me because he that is in me is greater than he that is in the world! I had an accident several years ago when I was invovled in a car accident and spent 14 days in a coma but Jesus brought me up! I have no fear and just wanted to clarify what they meant!

Demons hate all human kind! Whatever form cos they want humans to go to hell ith them! That should be clarified! It aint a joke and GR wouldn't do that if he was a demon! So I am clarifing things! Demons torque people they can get hold off! N it's not to get vengence for good!
They hate good! They come to steal and destroy but Jesus Christ has rescued us from all that!
Peace to you my friend!

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okay GR is a demon but you have to understand his origins to understand why he helps the innocent.
Zarathos was the first Ghost Rider and thirsted for vengeance like no other, in helping the innocent it was basically a way to stick it to mephisto who was his mortal enemy. however, ghost rider was vastly becoming darker and darker due to zarathos' thirst for blood eventually causing blaze to expell him. Dan's ghost rider denom is yet another vengeance demon, his motives for why he helps the innocent are unknown even to himself for he doesn't even know who he is (demon wise). There are theories though.
Anyways, i think GR would beat Marko if he can keep from getting slung into another country first.


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Long pig, dont make me have you for breakfast, bacon and eggs with loads of ham and pork pies and hold it! You've got me on a fenzie there! I love bacon! They aint coming to get me because he that is in me is greater than he that is in the world! I had an accident several years ago when I was invovled in a car accident and spent 14 days in a coma but Jesus brought me up! I have no fear and just wanted to clarify what they meant!

Demons hate all human kind! Whatever form cos they want humans to go to hell ith them! That should be clarified! It aint a joke and GR wouldn't do that if he was a demon! So I am clarifing things! Demons torque people they can get hold off! N it's not to get vengence for good!
They hate good! They come to steal and destroy but Jesus Christ has rescued us from all that!
Peace to you my friend!


roll eyes (sarcastic)

Okay...so your a Superman lover.

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Okay dami, did a demon come to you one day and tell you that he hates us all?

Please, please, don't bring religion into the debates, it makes things far more pointlessly complicated than they need to be.


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OK, but a demon did come up once to me and wanted me to bow down and I refused and I'll cut the story short! No more religion stuff. Superman now is cool. Love and nothing but love! I'm outter here!
Hey, Tron, are you Dr. Doom in disguise? Are you?

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the penance stair clinches this for ghost rider


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Ghost Rider's hellfire will kick Juggernaut's ass. It's not a physical flame, it burns souls, not bodies.


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there you have it! Juggy bites the dust!

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dami....you got pep man...you rock


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