LT was created by god and given unbelieveable powers to protect the multiuniverse , and he is back'ed up by him so if had to fight lucifer morning star god would give LT unlimited powers that even lucifer can't withstand. LT wins servant of god.
yeah that is confusing if u put it that way, in my opinion of The Presence and TOAA are the same tho, the LT is above all of the Marvel Universe as is The Word and The Spectre is in the DC Universe, The LT, The Word and The Spectre are messengers for the most High (God).
during DC/Marvel crossover they both went looking for God, putting everything together that The Presence and TOAA are the same being, their can only be 1 God, some call him The Presence some call him TOAA, they are just aspects of how u look at God (Yahweh).
Lucifer and Michael are above The Word and Spectre and should be above LT, they both are Yahweh's most favorites sons, nobody comes close the them and the only being above them is The Presence. LT is the guardian of the MU as Spectre is the guardian of the DCU, together DCU+MU = Creation.
Living Tribunal 2nd most powerful in the MU only, God is above him, but if u talk about everything that God created then Lucifer and Michael are above him. the Brothers with The Presence watching over them created Creation, and LT job is to watch over that half of Creation(MU) and Spectres job is to watch over the other half(DCU).
Thanos became a god like being when he had the heart and LT lost to him, Lucifer has gone up against some god like beings before and ripped them apart pretty ez. winner Lucifer Morningstar.
but then again if God gave LT power to win over Lucifer he probably could, but that would be kinda like cheating tho rit?
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Nope. Not sure what the word is, but Spectre does not guard over the multiverse. Heck, Spectre is part of the JSA. Have you seen LT needing to join some team?
Again: DC Vs. Marvel had:
Darkseid Vs. Thanos - we all know Thanos is more powerful than Darkseid
Lobo Vs. Wolverine - Lobo would kill Wolverine
Aquaman Vs. Namor - Aquaman wishes he was equal to Namor
Flash Vs. Quick Silver - well QS ain't quick enough to match Flash
Same role DOES NOT mean equal in power.
Spectre isn't on LT's level. So they were looking for God. Well they both serve God so why wouldn't they both look for him? But does that mean their equal in power?
LT = guardian of the multiverse
Spectre = gods fury
Anti-Monitor, Parallax, Emperor Joker have all put Spectre down.
The Brothers were reconned into being PAWNS of both LT and Spectre. God created Lucifer, Michael, and Living Tribunal. Where else do you think LT came from? He's just as much of a son of God as any of them.
Thanos had the Heart Of The Universe. HOTU = TOAA's power Lucifer has never gone up against the Presence and ripped him apart. Thanos with the Heart would kill LT, Lucifer, Michael, and Spectre.
How did Thanos get such a power? All part of TOAA/God's plan.
So powerful yet he was controlled?
Last edited by Beyonder on Apr 8th, 2005 at 06:58 AM
nope never have seen LT joining a team, but Spectre does have a human spirit with him so i don't find it that surprising he is in the JSA. Spectres power limits get stronger and weaker from time to time it is just how much power The Presence decides how much he has. Ive read that a full powered Spectre is up to Living Tribunals power.
oh and the Brothers i was talking about was Lucifer and Michael not the DC/Marvel brothers. and ummm when i said Lucifer has gone up against God like beings, meaning very powerful monsters not The Presence, Lucifer wouldn't last 1 sec with God...........
God gave lucifer and michael (and hence, elaine) powers that equalled his own. The only others to have power equal to god are the prescence, and genesis.
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All these examples are like blah blah blah God's son blah blah then they give an example of something like Odin could do. Not saying Odin isn't that powerful but he's obviously not the top of the chain.
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Yes, but Luicfrer and Micheal are equla in powers, but still when they fought, when Lucfer rebelled for the first time, Michel beat him, why, beacuse God was backing Micheal up, so if God woudl abck LT, LT would win, but othewrwise, netural space, I give more chance to Lucifer, why would God give more power to LT, servant than to his own son. Yes this son rebbeled, but God has nothing to worry about, God is still above anything or anyone. But I think Lucifer would also went down agaisnt Thanos when he become God like powers, or maybe not, maybe true God gave the powers to be protecetd by anythign, no matter what, except himslef of course.
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You're thinking like the MGod is a bible copycat like the DCGod though. And like they're the one in the same. There's no love or favoritism with MGod. There's TOAA then there's LT, keeper of balance.
It's almost like TOAA is a telephone system/company, LT is the workers, and the rest of creation are the phones in the homes. LT makes sure phones that should be on are on and phones that should be off are off. Making sure the lines and connections are in good condition and everything. LT has the power over all of that with only TOAA to answer to because if there was no phone system/company, there would be no phones.
It's less like an angelic host and more of an organized system you see. An organized system of two entities... heh.
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Nothing to say about this, your just basically disagreeing with me without refuting my statement.
Did they really say that their can only be 1 God? Coz I was sure as hell didnt read them saying that.
One minute. As I understand, LT doesnt get power from TOAA. TOAA already gave him power from the beginning to protect the multiverse, and thats it. The power TOAA gave him in the beginning is still the power he has now. It doesnt go up and down like the Spectre.
Your underestimating Fenris here. Fenris is the embodiment of Destruction and Chaos. In Norse Mythology, Fenris the Wolf, son of Loki, was said to bring about the end of the world(or in the Lucifer story, the end of the universe): Ragnarok. So going by his status how can you expect a very weakened Lucifer to beat or even avoid being controlled by him? Fenris is not just "another god".
I will agree with you though that Thanos with HOTU would beat everyone to a pulp, including Lucifer, Michael, The Spectre and The Living Tribunal.
1. The Presence
2. The Source
3. Rama Kushna
4. H'ronmeer
5.Meshta
6.Gyges and Garamas (with God power)
7.Great Evil Beast (appeared in an issue in which the Infinity Avengers kinda ripped off if you read it carefully)
----->8.Spectre at his full potential (omnipotent is unbeatable rather you're omnipresent or omniscient)
9. Mawu (the religious God of Africa shown in Spectre #58 )
10.The Voice (An entity part of the Presence)
11.The Word
12. Wally the God Boy
----->13. Lucifer Morningstar
14. Archangel Michael
For all you who said both that Spectre is equal to LT and below Lucifer at the same time... 2nd to God only my ass.
LT=big gold dude who acts as the WILL OF GOD. That means whatever God wants, LT can do. The only thing that puts him below God is that he can't do shit if God doesn't want him to. So if Lucy wants to fight LT, he wants to fight God. And don't even start saying he can beat God.
And for the record, I'm not saying that TOAA and Presence are the same, I'm saying that they are parallel. Idenitcal in every way, but separate.
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WOAH!!!! your list is massively exaggerated, Dizzle. What the hell? How in the hell that 12 other beings are more powerful than Lucifer and Michael. Wally the God Boy?? H'ronmeer?? Meshta?? GYGES AND GARAMAS??????!!!!!!!???????? You must be kidding me. Why dont you prove it, genius. Give me evidence that this 12 beings can EVEN create 1/3 of the multiverse, prove to me that they can withstand the demiurgic explosion standing on ground zero, without having a TAN. LOL!!! Rama Kushna is just a Death Goddess of a MINOR eastern religion. So what are you talking about?
And yes Lucifer and Michael are next to God. Go read the entire Lucifer Comic Book, before you start saying things.
Yes, LT is the will of God, but guess what? that will can only be exercised against those who exist IN THE MULTIVERSE. And guess what again? Lucifer and Michael existed BEFORE the multiverse.
I will be waiting for your reply.
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WOAH!!!! your list is massively exaggerated, Dizzle. What the hell? How in the hell that 12 other beings are more powerful than Lucifer and Michael. Wally the God Boy?? H'ronmeer?? Meshta?? GYGES AND GARAMAS??????!!!!!!!???????? You must be kidding me. Why dont you prove it, genius. Give me evidence that this 12 beings can EVEN create 1/3 of the multiverse, prove to me that they can withstand the demiurgic explosion standing on ground zero, without having a TAN. LOL!!! Rama Kushna is just a Death Goddess of a MINOR eastern religion. So what are you talking about?
And yes Lucifer and Michael are next to The Presence. Go read the entire Lucifer Comic Book, before you start saying things.
Yes, LT is the will of God, but guess what? that will can only be exercised against those who exist IN THE MULTIVERSE. And guess what again? Lucifer and Michael existed BEFORE the multiverse.
Do you have proof of this? Where did it say in the Lucifer comic that God backed Michael up in order to beat Lucifer and kick him out of heaven? Tell me the issue number.
just the fact that The Spectre went looking for The Father and LT went along with him should be enough to prove that they both are the same, In DC/Vertigo they have the Christian/Jewish God as their God, and since Marvel and DC came together in a crossover that means that Christan God is over that comic book as well.. LT has said before The One Above All is on High(Heaven). any time Spectre and LT have talked together they talked like they have known each other for a very long time.. if this is not enough information that their is only 1 God in both DC/Marvel then i give up lol
becase they both looking for their father doesn't mean their the same as power, will and wrath of god are two different things. Yes they both serve him but there powers are totaly different. LT has more power than spectre he doesn't need a human host.
yeah so Lucifer Morningstar is not from Marvel Universe so how does LT win again? oh and for your information Lucifer Morningstar can exist outside of realitiy Lt loses this fight FINALLY SOMEONE KICKS HIS ASS but then again who cant.
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