Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Storm herald of Galactus v Phoenix
Phoenix has fought Galactus on 2 occassions and came out the better in both encounters.
The first occassion was in a what if called What If Phoenix rose again. In it instead of killing herself Jean Grey allowed the Shi'ar to perform a psychic lobotomy on herself removing all parts of her brain which were responsible for her psionic powers. Jean Grey fought against Galactus after the Shi'ar asked for the Xmens aid in defeating the planet eater. Jean Grey had up to that point been powerless after the surgery but as Cyclops was about to be killed by Terrax, her phoenix power emerged again. She quickly dispatched Terrax and then went on to fight Galactus and she stated that because of the lobotomy her powers were at that point relatively limited to the point where she wasnt sure if she could beat Galactus, however she said that her powers increased along a geometric curve every time she used them. Galactus and Phoenix fought and Phoenix got the better of him. While his efforts were shrugged off Phoenix caused him pain. He then tried to forge an alliance with Phoenix claiming them to be equals. Bear in mind that this was a limited Phoenix yet in this state her power equalled Galactus at that point. She went on to destroy his machinery and Galactus left the planet for an easier meal claiming that he couldnt be bothered with the effort and that had he stayed he could eventually dispatch Phoenix. A limited Phoenix versus a hungry Galactus and Phoenix clearly got the better of him and caused him to abandon his meal. Phoenix went on to continue using her power in missions and as she said it increased to its previous levels. She went on to revert to Dark Phoenix and after killing the Xmen went on to destroy the universe "destroying everything in her path". At that point Galactus obviously became a non factor.
In their second encounter which occurred in Excalibur #61 Phoenix fought Galactus again because he was about to consume a planet. The two fought and while Galactus' blasts had no effect Phoenixes blasts hit home and Galactus was leaking energy from his armour Phoenix was fine and Galactus talked his way out of the fight by telling Phoenix that she's just as bad as him if not worse because he may eat planets but she draws energy from future generations "life yet born":
"""Here i lie exhausted from our struggle while you are neither weary nor hungry because you tap into a source of near limitless potential. The sea of life yet born""
Galactus may not have been at full power during this encounter but even so his efforts had no effect on phoenix and what you must remember is that even if he was Galactus' energy source is finite while he burns up his energies and would eventually tire and run out of power, Phoenix could keep on going and be just fine at the end of it as shown by Galactus' comments here. If the battle continued it is fair to assume that Galactus would have been destroyed.
So Phoenix has defeated Firelord, Nova and Terrax, is shown in Xmen Forever to be greater in power than even The Living Tribunal, contained the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal, joint the universes of the multiverse together by projecting a doorway through the multiverse(As shown in Excalibur) is stated to be the beginning and end of the multiverse and has held the 616 universe in her hand and telekinetically restructured it after having amputated an undesirable future. Phoenix hasnt fought a lot of people but her feats place her at the top end of the hierarchy.
Anyone who has read both comics would see that she could very well beat him. Both fights were stopped by Galactus. The first figt Galactus left for an easier meal, the second fight he talked his way out of it by making Phoenix feel guilty and calling her a hypocrite.
She is not on the Astral plane Whirly she is in the White Hot room. Big diffreence, i suggest you do some research into it. The White Hot room contains the multiverse she is outside of creation and holding the 616 universe in her hand. Little Galactus who you so love is an insignificant cosmic entity restricted to that universe. There is no comparison to Galactus and the phoenix of the white crown. Give it up already, its quite obvious.
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Aug 3rd, 2005 04:19 AM
