....again what in hell indicates that Joker is less intelligent. Hector outsmarts the FBI. So what? Joker outsmarts the entire world and a omniscent 5th dimensional imp.
Not the JOKER. Red Dragon? Please. I could figure out his "deranged" mind. No psychiatrist on Earth could figure out the Joker. Even telepaths couldn't figure him out. To make things worse, even the goddamn SPECTRE was afraid of his mind. You're telling Hector can do what telepaths and the Spectre, the Wrath of God himself have failed?
Um. NO. Who has Hector outsmarted? The FBI. Big whoop. Joker outsmarts every other day. AND Lex Luthor. AND the JLA. Seriously, dude, you're reaching....
what, Lector doesn't inidcate he's smarter than himself?
Another reason Joker is not a genius is because his insanity makes him too unpredictable at times. At one point he could be outsmarting Lex Luthor, the next he could be having a hissyfit over something trivial.
You can't let your fanfare overhype the Joker, I like the Joker and consider him to be one of the best villains ever, but his intelligence is not as high as Lecters.
In the end, I think Joker will be triumphant in killing Lecter because Lecter is not one to use a lot of weapons.
Has he outsmarted the entire world and the omniscent being capable of rewriting reality? No? Than Joker's smarter.
Honey. Insanity doesn't equal stupidity. The Joker is insane, and unstable and quite unpredictable. But it doesn't take away from his intelligence. In fact a great many of the greatest intellectuals in history had severe mental problems.
Again, you haven't proved that Lector is somehow more intelligent than Joker. Other than: he's a criminal psychiatrist and he's a genius. That's it. Meanwhile I....
I wasn't saying that insanity equals stupidity, I saying that Joker's unpredictability which is due to his insanity and obsessions takes over him at times and prevents him from thinking rationally which keeps him from being a genius.
An example of this is in Batman #450 where Joker goes goes into a nervous breakdown questioning who he is and puts the red hood on all because his crimes were not reportedly funny on the news. Joker freaks himself so much that at one point he is shivering on his bed in terror because he thinks he might have lost his humor.
Now that doesn't sound like the actions of an intelliectual genius and it shows that sometimes the Joker insanity can be his downfall as well as his uprising.
AGAIN. What has Lector done that in any way shows that he is more intelligent than Joker. You have failed to show ANY examples. Which no doubt will be unimpressive.
That's nice. So what?
This statement ALONE decipts your lack of knowledge regarding the Joker. Good Lord. Did you just watch the cartoon or something?
No he can't. And Batman has failed NUMEROUS times to figure out what the Joker is up too. And when on certain occasions he does...Batman arrives too late. The JLA combined had to rack their heads together to figure out what the Joker is up too.
This coming from a guy who thinks the Joker just has a "clown fetish?"
Outsmarted Luthor. And Batman. And the JLA. And a omniscent 5th dimensional being. And the proverbial arm of GOD. Is your subconscious making these words invisible or something?
Which doesn't STOP him from being a genius anymore than full paralysis stops Hawking from being a genius. You have this incorrect tendency to believe that emotional stability and wanton obsessions can somehow make a person's intelligence invalidated. Einstein by your definiton isn't a genius either...
Again. He's insane. This has nothing to do with intelligence. Or wits. This just proves he's nuts.
Sauting and eating a human brain doesn't sound like the actions of an intellectual genius either, if that's the way you want to go...
Intelligence has NOTHING to do with emotional stability....
I have already stated Lecter intelligence when I mentioned that he can read police case files and find out the what the killers are thinking and doing without leaving a prision cell. You never did say that Joker could do the same thing, you just said that being a psychiatrist doesn't mean Lecter's a genius.
Give me an example of when Joker has used his intellect to figure out something as complicated as that.
Which isn't impressive by comic standards. Hell. Even Robin can do that.
Joker doesn't need to read case files. He can figure someone just by looking a person. Which makes him extremely unnerving. In one issue, he figured out a cop he was passing. The cop was driven insane in one monologue.
-broke into Pentagon and made his way out completely undetected.
-hotwired a nuclear bomb
-figured out the Philosopher's Stone in mere moments when Lex Luthor spent MONTHS trying to figure it out.
-managed to cause a Y2K-esque virus, making every computer/TV screen have his horrifying image.
-managed to create a kryptonite acid with a high-school chemistry set
Reading people doesn't mean intelligence and all those feats where in a comic book world. If Joker was in a more realistic world like Lecters he wouldn't be able to do any of those things.
In the realistic world a guy in a clown suit would never get in and out of the Pentegon with the security they have. Any realistic nuclear bomb just can't be hotwired, they have special percautions for terrorist situations. Viruses making every computer have the same image is unrealistic and improbable.
Joker manages to do all these unrealistic feats but can't solve a crime supposibly so simple Robin can do it. If thats the case then your saying Robin is smarter than Joker.
And? Feats are feats. Whether or not it's real is negatory in this forum.
And yet Joker did it. Yes, all of what you're saying is true. But Joker has done it. Which proves he's far more intelligent than Lector who's best feats simply don't compare.
That's because he doesn't WANT to solve a crime. He's a CRIMINAL....
I didn't say that. I'm saying Lector's best feats aren't impressive in the world of comics. Robin has done and continues to do things that put Lector to shame. It's comics. It's not supposed to make sense.
First off your putting Hannibal from a novel against a comic the propurtions are totally unfair now if they made Hannibal into a comic im sure they would boost his intelligence if they had to put him up against people like superman and the like if he was in the dc universe he would probably study all the science that Luthor and the like know and since he is a psychitrist he would mess with jokers head and even if joker managed to do something to him he would outsmart him in the end joker is smart but in the end he always gets dooped
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