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circumstantial?
not sure what i said that could be construed as circumstantial. i suppose it's true that the energy might be the reason, rather than the overall 'power' (is that what you thought i meant?) for his being able to deflect the o-beams, but as far as the exact composition -- i'm not sure the exact nature has been discussed. supes vision certainly does as a component of concussive force though.
in any event, i don't think there is much question about which is more powerful overall. supes has used his heat vision on a planetary scale. what is cyke's best showing with a blast? anyone?
Well.....their is mentioning of him being able to blow up a small planet . Plus that pic of logan shitting himself after cyke blows away a whole forest + 3/4 sentinels all at once.
Actually, Supermans hv is both intensely hot and concussive. I believe he onced pushed a planet the size of jupitor with it. Plus, when it comes to feats, nobody beats Superman. He is far from my favorite char nowadays, but his exposure is second to none, except maybe Batman. And Batmans feats will always involve his cerebral side, rather than brute force. Kal El not so much. Plus look at the envoirnment Cykes in. A TEAM book. If he was able to oneshot large planets, then he reduces the need for a team. The day Cyke gets popular enough to carry his own book, will be the day he gets a serious upgrade in power, and not before. Superman has four books, JLA and numerous graphic novels. Cyke can't compete. Plus, he constantly gets feats because he's Super. Icon, flagship etc. He has to consistently be ahead of the earthpack, though i don't agree. He SHOULD be an example to those of this day and age, but not those that precede him in comic book ages. MM, Captain Marvel and Black Adam, and Wonder Woman. All older than him.
But to the topic, Supermans hv has done things that it doesn't even fit the requirement for, such as repairing holes in reality......WTF?? Pushing planets.....WTF?? etc. Cyke can't win this one.
Aren't both the heat vision and the optic blast field of vision attacks that can be focussed into tight beams? That was always my understanding. As for Supes engulfing a planet, he did it sun dipped from outerspace and engulfed the planet which encompassed his field of vision. Given that Cyclops can't fly through space independently and blast his field of vision from orbit, it's highly unlikely he'll have a comparable feat.
Overall, heat vision hands down of course, but I'm still confused as to what the threadstarter is asking.
Is he referring to which has more powerful capabilites or if they were fired at eachother and converged which would exert more force and overwhelm the other?
Supes heat vision works at cosmic level as stated when he warmed up the entire earth. Plus the heat generated by his HV can also works like a concussive force depending on the durability of the target and of the conditions by quickly expanding the air.
Spetnaz, please don't applaud my post. I don't care for some of the wtf feats he has. They just go into reinforcing my belief that he's a walking talking plot device. How HEAT can repair a hole in reality is pure T nonsense. How hv can push a planet without reducing it in size is also pure T crap. How he can adjust its concussive force without adjusting its heat is silly. How he can get output temperatures that exceed the sun, from which he gains his power is silly as well. Its kinda like imo, Surfer having a higher output than Galactus. He is a walking, talking plot device, as is any GL, but they have the excuse of having a plot device on their finger. Soul Vision, T-VO?? Nonsense.
I ken that he is the first, yet in comic time, he is younger than many heroes. He is older than Billy Bastion, yet much younger than Captain Marvel. As well as Black Adam and Wonder Woman. Martian Manhunter is centuries old iirc. I don't quite buy all heroes looking up to him. Its the glass ceiling effect. I may accept him being the first superhero, but i don't buy into the whole first = best syndrome. Specially his depth as a character was only really explored in the last 30 years.
wouldnt the heat energy from supes blast make cycs concussive beam stronger and faster if the 2 hit?
I guess if there is a "force" behind superman's heat, it would probably cancel the effect, but any sort of heat energy applied to scott's blast should just increase the charge/energy output/force.
superman's is obviously more powerful, but... stupid science...
Illadelph, there is an error here. Supes was NOT sundipped when he fired that blast....that's a forum myth.
I have the issue and Supes never flies into the sun. It however IS behind his when he HV's earth.
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Post crisis Wonder woman didn't become a super hero until a few years after Superman did. She arrived in the world of man during the legends crossover. So whether she's older is besides the point. Whether or not captian marvel appears to be older than Superman, Billy Batson the mind beheind Marvel is only a teenager so Superman has been a hero longer than him.
Superman is the first superhero of the current age of heroes in DC and likely inspired other metas to become superheroes by his example. Other heroes look up to him not only because he was the first but because he's Superman. Whenever there is trouble they know Superman will rise to the challenge and save the day. He is pure and noble and values human life above all else. That is why everyone looks up to him.
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