From what Revan has shown us in Bane's book as a master of the Dark Side, I would go to say that the powers shown in KOTOR if you play as the DS Knight Revan would and could have been the repetoire Revan used as the Dark Lord.
I mean think about it? He has taught Bane a sh*tload of crazy powerful crap. And especially in such a time full of Sith trying to become powerful, he MUST know the Dark Side quite well. I would then that some of the powers, like maybe Death Field could have been what Revan used.
This is very close no doubt. But I believe Revan this. Also, doesn't he have Echani Precognition (idk what this it? Can someone explain?)
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San'Doria, I normally don't go out and try to be blunt with fellow debators, but you're too arrogant for my taste. Quit pretending that you're a skilled debator and incredible intellectual, when the truth is that you're neither.
Learn the proper uses of grammar, and how to construct a sentence.
Then, maybe the rest of us will take you seriously.
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being arrogant? im just being an anti revan fanboy, seriously i do not like him due to his overration,
you want me to speak calmly and properly more like a proper debator fine, will do, here goes.
canonically revan has never shown us the thought bomb, nor any of the powers the pod book claimed he discovered and keyed into the holocron, how often and how capable is he at doing them? he doesnt use them most of the time and bane who learnt it from revan therefore used it to its best, shaking down a temple and turning kasim to a pulp, and after pod pulling a moon out of orbit, thats far greater than revan ever will be,
seriously im sick of people saying "revan is god" "o revan is 2nd strongest jedi"
and do me a favour, stop going around and try to judge people when you dont know who they really are, like kasim, good debator? yea but he makes shit up and lies, want proof?
again stop what you are doing, what makes you think you are superior to any of us?
quit it, stop it ok?
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Revan isn't god, but that doesn't mean that Revan isn't powerful ESB. Obviously if he knows the powers, he should use them as easily and skillfully since Bane applies it with superior power, which he learns from Revan, who has mastered it.
Considering Revan's period full of the Mandalorian Wars and the effects of Exar Kun's War and the Sith rising again, I would say he should be the master of the Dark Side Path of Destruction portrays him to be.
To lead the Sith Empire and the Star Forge, Revan has to be powerful to stop any assasination attempts.
BTW, ESB, you didn't capitalize
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Look, I'm not a big fan of Revan's either (especially after that incompetent jackass of an author credited all of Bane's achievements to Revan), but neither Bane nor Revan are as powerful as Palpatine, and I would still count them both to be among the most powerful Sith Lords.
Regardless, this fight does seem to be a close one.
Darth Revan as of now triumphs, barely, but i'm sure he knew more Techniques than even Bane does, he found the Ancient Sith Empire, and in KoToR 2, something he used was VERY powerful, so he went to stop it(both Lightside and Dark Side) As soon as KoToR 3 comes out, most likely in a year or so, Revan will be the top dog
Eh while I don't share your enthusiasm, you have to admit it was inevitable. For months I've preached about Revan's power and potential as one of the most powerful and greatest, and I'm just glad it was confirmed in this book. But I'm a Revan fan so it was sweet.
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um ok so does that mean vodo is more powerful than exar kun since vodo was his master? no. and yes i dont deny revan being powerful, he is hella powerful but id still rank other sith lords above revan, Each sith has done extraordinary things, revan controled the star forge rather than it control him, bane created the rule of 2, palpatine came back from death many times, vader killed his oficers far far away, exar kuns spirit lived for over 4000 yrs.
any ways i never said revan is not powerful, i said he is still overrated, and no, he will never be 2nd to palpatine nor to nihilus, id put nadd and exar above him.
about this match as i said Bane has shown us more extraordinary talents,
again bane has learnt mroe secrets in the tomb of freedon nadd, and no, revan will never be number1 as a jedi or a sith, try putting him against nihilus
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heres ur proof
and the potential = connection to the force thing, what a truck load of sh!t. so does that mean shimrra is ap.o.s just cuz he got no connection to the force? there you go
and the crimson empire? for vader to do something like that, he needs speed, and in the EU? hes fast, contradiction, ok must be, but so what? the point is IT HAS HAPPENED, what has HAPENED has happened ok? whats done is done, vader was shown fast on that timeline, that story, it is recorded, therefore credit must be given to it.
you thought he was slow in CE but ur wrong
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You need to learn how to differentiate lies and mistakes. Not that it was really a mistake or anything, I just wasn't being too clear. What I meant was that force connection and potential are both a direct result of the midichlorians in a force users body, so when Vader got slaughtered by Obi-Wan on Mustafar, his current ability was affected as well as his full potential.
Not that I even fully understood what you stated, but this analogy is clearly invalid, Shimmra isn't a force sensitive, he's irrelevant.
This is why nobody respects you as a debater, you can't just make ridiculous claims without backing them up, provide evidence, provide an explanation for your points and stop being so damn vague.
WRONG!!
Credit cannot be given to anything that contradicts the movies, it renders it invalid.
No. What turns me off to Revan now is that jackass who wrote the book.
His thoughts: "I made Revan... to be god... because I'm, quite frankly, pretty damn stupid. Skepticism on the 'Revan owns all' front is considerable... so I'm gonna have to do something to solidify his skills... so, I'm gonna make him responsible for all that a REALLY REALLY successful Sith Lord accomplished... hell, I'd probably do it for Palpatine if not for it already proven and a canon fact that everything he did was due to his own design... so... Bane'll do..."
My thoughts: "Bane invented the Rule of Two. Bane reorganized the Sith Order in the most efficient way. The guy who wrote this book screwed that up, because he's stupid, and is a KotoR nutjob. Revan's cool, but Bane's accomplishments own his, and that's the way it'll be."
While I respect your opinion Escape, I am rather pleased that Revan did come up with the idea. I'm not taking anything away from Bane because Bane EXECUTED it and his order was the most successful, but Revan's genius intellect is second to only Sidious..
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ok forgive for what i have said, i just checked the last thread again, very sorry. about the contradiction, i dont think it can be discarded, well i think you are correct about the skill and agility but not the speed, i mean come on in rotj after he fell of the stairs he made a 360 flip backwards because luke kicked him. there is nothing to contradict his skill and agility in the EU.
but even if they did make him fast in the EU in lets say RODV, it has already happened, done is done, even there is a contradiction, nothing canbe done because it has already happened, vader has done that, so for their next novel they are going to make sure that they dont overrate vaders speed so that it will not contradict the movies,
and id put kreia above revan for intelligence
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