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Originally posted by spetznaz
Then please explain Lobo punching Darkseid, and the only outcome being that Lobo hurt his hand?

Lobo's strength levels are also prodigous, but his efforts were for naught.

And yes, Superman managed to damage Darkseid. In a rather spectacular manner by the way (before flying him him to the Source wall and pinning him there). However if you note Supes was doing that next to the sun.

Close proximity to the sun has interesting effects on Kryptonians. Kind of like force-feeding spinach to Popeye ....for days straight.

Anyways, you say that Despero can beat Darkseid because Despero could beat Superman, and thus that means that Despero can beat Darkseid. An indirect connection, but let's accept that for the sake of argument.

I say that Lobo punched Darkseid, and the only effect was pain for Lobo. A direct connection.

Since you want to rely solely on comic book feats, which one is greater? Both are in print, both are canon.
Despero is stronger than Superman (non-sundipped ofcourse), and so is Lobo. So which showing is paramount?

Oh ...also note that comic showings tend to vary in power. For instance one moment you have character 'X' performing nigh cosmic feats, the next the same character is defeated by some street level punk.
Which showing is paramount.

This is where logic comes in ....and the character's historical abilities (think of it as a baseline, for instance in some showings Superman has felt batman's punch, in others he sneezed away a galaxy .....both are silly) ....basically a holistic perspective of the character.

Then institute KMC rules.

The result is that Wolverine cannot beat the Hulk, that Rogue cannot absorb the Surfer, and Deathstroke cannot trip the Flash (no matter how fast Slade's mind operates).


Anyways ...I'll respond to any rebuffs after work.

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Originally posted by Bentley
Well. I was actually convinced by what Juntai said the first time around, fighting Supes in the sun is a good feat. I just didnt post anything after that because I was thinking about Puck's powers.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your logic will fall on def ears when it comes to certain characters. period

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Originally posted by Bentley
Dont be sour, I already conceded this, Darkseid wins.