But after watching a few DBZ episodes, I don't see any proof that Black Adam is any stronger than Goku ... and he certainly doesn't seem to be as fast as him.
His biggest feat of strength is lifting an office building. Black Adam is Superman's equal it's obvious who's stronger. Black Adam has shown lightspeed reflexes.
Goku's combat record isn't that great. He only beat two villains who he didn't vastly overpower Frieza and Kid Buu. With both of those he needed other characters to run intererance.
Cell was only slighly stronger than him and Goku gave up and let his 11 year old son fight him. Did we watch the same show?
His best strength feat in DBZ (I dunno about GT - I don't even consider it canon to the story line) was like fourty tons. He'd have to become BILLIONS of times more powerful to be as strong as Black Adam.
And as far as speed goes, they never seemed too incredibly impressive to me. I mean, it looked cool and all...but....nothing I'd put out of Spiderman-level-fighting-speed.
Vageta overpowered Goku during their first meeting and Cell was far stronger than he let on while fighting Goku.
Don't know when he lifted a building though (haven't seen that much DBZ) but Goku isn't one to go about lifting things, he only really uses his powers when he has to fight people.
People couldn't even see them when they were fighting ... and that was all way before the whole super saiyen(sp?) stuff started happening.
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I didnt that realize durring the episode where goku lifted a building their was a scale denoteing how much it weighed. Anyway, people often try to use that feat to measure goku's strength, and it just doesnt make sense. We've seen superman struggle to lift the daily planet globe. We KNOW hes not that weak. Goku was fighting at speeds transcending vision PRE-Kayoken. Why is goku being compared to spiderman?? LOL
Whats black adam gonna do? Outfight goku? How can he dream of strikeing goku? Goku moves at incalculable speeds. Instantainously pumeling foes over short distances. Destroying Planets at a younge age. Black adam simply cant keep up with goku in combat, the under-rateing of goku has gotten rediculous.
Honestly, this is a spite thread.
You're the one overrating him. Black Adam fights people like Superman and Captain Marvel who have confirmed to move and fight at beyond light speed. There is no proof that DBZ characters are even 1% of light speed. They're way faster than Spider-man, but not that fast. Just because they're drawn with lots of blurs and afterimages in the anime and manga doesn't mean anything, it's a style of art. Characters in the manga Rorouni Kenshin are drawn the same way in their battles and they only move at the speed of sound at maximum.
Your right, its definately the style of art. On the other hand VERY early into the series piccollo BREIFLY talks about the speeds they were fighting at, and this was all pre-kaoken era. Goku in his final state was leauges more powerful. I strongly dobut he would still be moving at goku 400 power level speeds
I never denied that they had become faster and stronger, but the point is that without knowing how much faster and stronger, it's all speculation. Power levels don't really make sense when you analyze them scientifically either, they basically can only be used as a general guide to say which DBZ character is stronger than which other DBZ character. I believe AT dropped them after the Frieza saga because people were wasting too much time trying to extrapolate from them and figure out what they meant rather than just reading the manga.
oh im not trying to calculate the powerelevs, after that guys scanner broke, it was pretty much an indication that the numbers dont matter anymore. Goku became exponentially stronger, and its undeniable. Not slightly, not marginally, but exponentially. definately more than enough to keep up with black adam
Have you forgotten that Goku can actually teleport? I’m not going to argue power levels and “speculate” but I will point out that you seem to be doing this your self. You speculate that it’s just the art style that makes things look faster or that Akira Toriyama dropped power levels because people were wasting time… You have no proof of any of this. So at the minimal I am going with what I have seen in the show. I have watched Kenshin, its not DBZ, lets stick to that show or Manga please. Just because it is anime doesn’t mean that we can measure them against each other for a reference guide… in other words Kenshin is not a ruler for DBZ. Just as Calvin and Hobbes (an American comic) is no ruler for Marvel or DC.
I have seen Goku Teleport. (I’d consider this something faster than light. It’s instantaneous actually)
I have seen more than just motion blurs I have seen invisible combat. And no this is absolutely not just an artistic decision. Clearly it is meant to show that they are moving so fast that they are INVISIBLE. You can hear the characters in the show exclaiming this. It’s not like spider man who throws a punch so fast his victim doesn’t see it. INVISIBLE period.
Whoever said that thing about Spiderman being on speed lvl with Goku, I am sorry but I disagree. That statement is absolute fantasy of the highest caliber.
So I’m really not convinced that Black Adam(and I love BA dearly) can keep up with Goku in speed.
I lol if anyone is serious about using an office building to gauge Goku’s strength
Goku has moved so fast (again, at an incredibly weak level) that people were hitting a mere afterimage of goku that apeared inanimate -- passing through it as if it were a ghost. At an incredibly weak level
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