yea you say this alot and yet prove you don't time and again.
Well maybe you should pick up some of his comics from the last decade or so. He does not flip out very often and goes berserker even less.
dam it now it page 2.
now im not gunan responding to your posts any more since your taking up spaces and making no valid points. Also I would like for my last to big posts to remain and not for page 2 to apeare. So if you wish to countinue your nonsenses, pm me.
wait, are you actually saying it takes Logan more energy to jump than to get shot and heal? wow, I thought I'd heard everything you can say, and yet again I'm surprised.
Pleases explain to me how I missed up you said? Were in my responses did I hint that I miss read what you had typed?
You said this which I quoted
And responded with this
No were in this responses do I show that I miss read a single word of your responses, but that’s for the piety insult.
The pot calling the kettle black.
I was trying to simply inform you and you attack me. Then you have the nerve to call me the baby, when I was clearly not upset in the least, but you on the other hand are showing that maybe you need to chill out and calm your self.
It a forum, not the end of the world sport.
Your not very up to date on Wolverine are you?
Because Logan average portayial has not been such in decades, he actually extremely calm combatant. He does not lose his temper in battle and he not that reckless and even less so when his healing factor has been taken from him.
Punisher is not any more calm or less reckless then Logan.
Yup now I know you don’t read Wolverine. Wolverine has gone Berserker less then 10 times in the last decade maybe even fewer times. You clearly basing your knowledge of the character off the media and not actual comic knowledge that you have read of his series.
Not the best way to debate. Having such out dated inaccurate knowledge can really hurt your arguments.
Also if Logan went berserker, that would be the very last thing Punisher would wan’t.
Also in Wolverine volume 2 issues 31 to 33 further explains Logan physical abilities while berserker, they are boosted to there top levels. Berserker is as if Wolverine took the thunder bolt pill. The thunder bolt pill if given to a normal human amplifies all there physical attributes to superhuman levels.
So Punisher really does not want Wolverine to go berserker.
I not sure what your definition of brawl is, but to brawl means “a noisy quarrel, squabble, or fight.”
So I am not sure what you are getting at. I mean it is common senses that someone who spent 20 years learning MA can fight.
Also why would I not use the fact Logan a MA fighter? He is one and one of the best. You don’t see me telling you not to use the Punisher was in Vietnam card, because it as stupid as you tell me not to use MA card. Why should a characters skill or attribute be ignored? Is it due to the fact you have no real argument against it?
You keep saying focus as if that an argument. It stupid argument and plan foolishness to say a character is not focused when you have little knowledge of the character. Not to mention the fact that the Martial art style that has been most influential in his life and which he has been imbued into his core being, teaches focus as well as control as one of it fundamental teachings.
Steve is no more focused then Wolverine is.
Here are some Martial Art feats to assure you he a top tier Martial Artiest.
Wolverine agent of shield Part 4 of 6 issue 29: Wolverine attacks the hand ninja’s secret base and training facility which has roughly 15,000 hand ninjas. Logan shows amazing skill and never even takes a single hit.
X-Men Phoenix WarSong issue 1: Logan shows his mastery over the Bo staff while training Phoebe how to fight.
Wolverine origins issue 19: Bucky pulls a gun on Wolverine and plans to shoot him in cold blood. Logan is able to disarm Bucky with out being shot and puts him in a choke old displaying his grappling prowess. Bucky is soon Koed. Bucky had been trained by Captain America him self, as well as the same individuals who had trained Captain America. Bucky is one of the best back then and now, Logan states that he himself is “still better”.
Guest-Starring Wolverine justice, Like Lightning… New Thunderbolts Enemy Of The State Tie-In issue 4: Wolverine while under mind controlled by Hydra fights with the New Swordsman. Wolverine out fights New swordsman to the point were even New Swordsman states he can not hold of Logan much longer and that was only after a few short panels.
X-Men 97 hellfire Hong Kong guest –starring Shang-chi master of king-fu issue 97: Wolverine defeats Shan-chi in h2h combat rather easily showing Logan as the superior martial artist. It only takes Logan 5 panels to accomplish this.
Death Blow and Wolverine issue 2 which happen after Logan was part of the x-men and had adamatium claws.
Logan not using knifes in a long time would not take away his 50 plus years of experiences using them as one of his primary weapons. Three month’s would plenty of time to readjust him to the way in which one knife fights.
Also Punisher though may uses knifes, does not very often rely on them. He uses guns much more then a knife. Wolverine claws and how they are used would be very closely linked with knife fighting as would Logan’s constant training with swords.
Also Logan was also using knifes as his primary weapon during “Logan shadow society” one shot issue in which he works with Carol Danvers.
He also was picked for certain missions for the CIA due to his skills with knifes as shown in the “Weapon X” Novel
In this match Punisher size other then giving him an arm, leg reach advantage holds no other advantages.
Saying “5’3 pieceofshit” does not really make one view your opinion favorably.
Punisher can be as “heavy set” as he wishes, it not am advantage when your opponent is stronger. Also Punisher is not 6”4, he 6”1 and he only 5 pounds heavier then Wolverine.
You missed the point. Those characters like most of his rogue gallery have a good size reach advantage when they face Wolverine, but that has never been a factor or even shown to matter in fight against Wolverine. So the odds are very slim that it would be any factor in such a fight as this when Logan a top tier MA has clearly found ways to negate such advantages.
By knife fight you must mean getting stab then pulling it out, because here the only knife part in the entire fight in which Punisher or Bullseye hold a knife. http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?...sstabbedli7.jpg
You really need to stop miss representing events.
“The tactics of guerrilla warfare stress deception and ambush, as opposed to mass confrontation, and succeed best in an irregular, rugged, terrain and with a sympathetic populace, whom guerrillas often seek to win over by propaganda, reform, and terrorism”
It can be fought anywhere and was used in WW2.
Also Logan would still have the advantage since he has fought in both Korea and Vietnam, while Punisher only fought in Vietnam.
Also Logan has trained extensively as Ninja and as a number of Special Forces units that focus on ambushing.
Yes frank does.
Frank does not get prep in this match up so it irrelevant.
Not to mention the issue ignored Logan’s, Matt’s and Peter’s powers and won’t be happing in this encounter. Also Logan was not knocked out and was still standing, so Punisher did not take out anything.
Sorry, but shooting your fellow teammate unaware and running him over with a steam roller does not count as a win.
Your response has nothing to do with what you had quoted.
battlehammer hasn't evolved enough to think that much. give him a few more centuries.
frank also spent time learning ninjitsu skills.
and he beat bullseye........IN A KNIFE FIGHT.
he uses knives more than you like to think actually. at times when he could have shot someone he opted to use throwing knives. he actually is a big fan of throwing knives in particular. read punisher armory.
compared to someone shorter, stockier, out of practice for a decade and a tendency to act rashly. logan has 3 days to practice up. good. frank has recent experience AND 3 days to catch up.
dude, stop taking yourself to seriously. if it ever comes down to it i can deconstruct everything you say and make you look like a bigger ass than usual. drop it already. you're obviously taking this all WAY too seriously.
g-r-o-w up.
your point? and didn't you say "no adamantium" which basically means that he loses those extra pounds?
logan is irrational and too hotheaded. frank isn't.
as for the issue you posted.............not the one i'm talking about, sherlock.
and last I check am the one who has been providing all the evidence, not your self.
They were taught to him during his military training which Logan has vastly more training. Logan also has mastered the art of ninjitsu while frank has not.
Actaully he dident which I stated and showed above in my previous post.
Key word “Throwing Knifes” not knife fighting there a completely different form of combat. One is used for range while the other is used for melee. Logan has thrown swords at people, knifes ect which actually I provided evidence of in my last post.
First I already provided evidences that he has not been out of practices for decades.
Logan is not one to act very rash if you have read him in the last decade it been made pretty evident.
Again not listening to what I have said. They have 3 months.
yes the one who uses piety insults, pleases take your own advices.
Pleases your welcome to try, but the fact remains I provide evidences you do not.
Yes I did which is why I said he 5 pounds lighter then Punisher.
Logan weights 195 pounds while punisher weights 200 pounds.
Logan with adamatium weights 300 pounds.
So you may want to brush up on your Wolverine
Says the man who clearly does not read Wolverine currently. Logan has not been irrational or hotheaded in decades nor does he let it affect his ability to fight like some people I know.
Punisher when seeing his daughter for the first time went into a blind rage in which he woke up in the hospital. Frank’s not the best at self control.
it not. Well actaully I should have said his common showings have not shown him to be hot headed or irrational, he has been, but the vast majority of showings from this decaded show other wise and they never seem to affected his fighting preformances.
No I am saying that the vast majority of his showings for the last decade show him not to be irrational or hot headed.
Actually he does have the patiences. Pleases tell me were your getting this info from. For one thing he while leading x-force was the calm one telling the rest what to do. Also in the current issue of x-force to come out he actally surrenders so that one of his teammates will not be killed, but x-23 will not listen.
Then calibain death during misiah complex was due to warpath not listening to wolverine and beeing to rash.
You beeing very inaccurate on your depiction of wolverine from the last decade.
really? okay i know what to do.
those scans you posted are irrelevent cuz they are:
-pis
-bad writers
-bad writers who use pis
and which i told you is NOT the one i'm talking about. i'm pretty sure, though i could be wrong.
i know what a throwing knife is. i said frank uses knives and that he's a big fan of throwing knives. you still want to talk about throwing knives? well for one they spin 180 degrees every 15 feet and have to have their weight balanced on both ends.
needless to say, you're wasting my time with your rambling. i just mentioned that frank uses knives more than you'd like to think he does.
Really I recall you calling me an assortment of names.
Fails on all accounts. No one is be portrayed out of character, nor out of there abilities.
Sorry, but not good enough.
So like I said I showed evidences you did not.
You are wrong, that’s the only fight they had were Punisher had any sort of advantage.
Like I said, there not the same. So giving me an example of Punisher uses throwing knifes means little in the debate.
Logan still has vastly more experiences using knifes. Logan has superior MA and military training. Which would give him quite an edge in a knife fight.
There not scan there, so no you have not proven anything.
Not to mention my second responses does not aid, his argument at all.
i'm the one who posted all the scans of their later fights, and the part where he took on the three. and hulk.
so no.
as for calling you something? i don't recall calling you anything fancy. just insinuated here and there that you are an idiot. but that's about it. nothign to cry over, nancy.
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