skywalker seemed to be using ataro in his 1st duel with dooku
the point is mace beat sididous in force power and blade combat, not just sabers like yoda. if you recall mace is why sids looks shriveled up
personality my butt, if anakin were a better duelist then he wouldnt have been diced he would have been able to counter the blade swing.
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No, Anakin used Form 10 (dual saber style, which is Makashi's weakness) in the first part of the duel, than switched to Shein/Djem so(which is also makashi's weakness).
Show me the proof. I fairly certain that he practiced shien only at this point and applied ataru with jar kai against dooku.
I don't recall it being stated that jar kai was suppose to be a weakness of Makashi. And regardless if it was it did not affect Dooku since he beat anakin with it(i believe it was a jar kai-ataru mix) rather quickly.
nvm my bad, Anakin only knew Shien at that point, and shien was makashis weakness. He was using jar kai/ataru in the first part of the duel, your right my bad.
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That wasn't Mace winning a force fight, he only didn't get zapped because of his Lightsaber.
I suppose you'll say next then that Aotc Obi-Wan > Dooku in the force since Obi-Wan used his lightsaber to hold back Dooku's lightning with utter ease? he was smirking when he did it.
It's true. Look near the end, when Kenobi says "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you." he is breathing heavily, and Anakin is just standing there breathing through his nose. Anakin looks like he had just taken a stroll in the park and Kenobi looks like he had just run a marathon. Anakin has more stamina than perhaps anybody else, though Maul is debatable. Kenobi's probably third.
Blax, Sidious is stronger in the force than mace, however, while using Shatterpoint and utilizing the superconducting loop of Vaapad, Sidious was, and is unable to use the force to break through Windu's defenses, therefor in a force fight, the two would be equal, Sidious unable to break Windu's defenses, and Windu unable to harm Sidious with the force.
Mace did not get zapped because of the superconducting loop and his lightsaber, which is partially using the force to deflect the lightning back and harm sidious. (the superconducting loop of vaapad is when an enemy uses the force to attack you, and you bounce it back and the attack hits your enemy).
AOTC obi-wan is not stronger in the force than Dooku because he was only able to defend himself from the lightning, he could not deflect it back and harm dooku like what windu did to sids.
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The only reason Mace turned the lightning back on Sideous was because of how close in proximity they were. The lightning was arcing off of Mace's lightsaber on to Sids. Has nothing to do with him being superior in the force.
Yoda and Mace both beat Sids in lightsaber combat.
However Mace used his lightsaber to block the lightning, whereas Yoda used the force.
Mace used a mixure of the force, vaapad, and his lightsaber to deflect the lightning, yoda used purely the force. Thats why Yoda is stronger in the force than mace is. whats your point?
Ok, so one dude breathes lighter than the other...wth does that have to do with anything?? Dont say "it means Anakin has a better stamina", because he doesn't. Obi-wan uses form III which conserves energy better than any other form.
He does. Stamina is how long you can do something physical before getting exhausted. Heavy breathing is a sign of exhaustion. Obi-Wan was breathing heavily. Anakin was not. Just because Soresu conserves energy better than any other form doesn't mean that EVERY Soresu user will have more stamina than ANY user of any other form. Remember, Anakin and Obi-Wan were also jumping around as well which is equally energy conserving for both of them. Also, during the duel between Dooku, Anakin and Obi-Wan in ROTS, Dooku and Obi-Wan were tired after a while but Anakin wasn't. This was stated in the script, I can give you an exact quote if you'd like.
Bottom line is, yes, Anakin has more stamina that Obi-Wan.
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