If were talking about ultimate Wolverine then Ultimate Wolverine takes the cake being the Wolverine is now the first Mutant in the Ultimate Universe.
Wolverine has survived his arms being torn off, legs being hurled 2 miles away etc.
Ultimate Cap is also formiadable, More powerful than the mainstream cap using guns etc.. He is stronger than 616 Cap, took down the russian version of cap, took down Ult wolverine, held his own for a while against Ult hulk.
Ultimate Sabertooth has his head cut off and survived....
Okay to seriously address your points (which probably doesn't matter as I don't think these are Ult characters besides Cap)
1Wolverine "takes the cake" by being the first mutant in the Ult Verse......how?
2Sure he has survived that doesn't mean he's more powerful, just means Colossus or Thing can tear his arms off and throw his limbs two miles away from his body!
3Using guns makes him more powerful than 616 Cap? News to me, and the bullets will penetrate someone who survived a small nuclear explosion will they?
4Russian version of Cap is as powerful as Thing or Colossus is he? Nope, he was beaten fairly quickly. I'm sure he was locked up for several years and had a shield made of bone and skin.
He didn't beat Hulk though did he, so it's hardly a big enough feat to make a case in this fight.
5Sabretooth's head wasn't completely severed, he tells Wolverine this because that's how he survived....not sure how this helps him though.
1. Ulitmate Origins #1 just out read it *spoiler* Mutants were created by the weapon X program... they created the X gene and wanted it to spread to start an entire race of super people... wolverine is the first*spoiler*
2. True, but it shows how hard it is to kill him and the Hulk is more powerful than Collosus and Thing in the Ult. Universe the entire ultimates coudln't take him down. Wasp had to enter him brain and sting him to take him down and Wolverine can cut through Collosus skin, il find the scan somewhere i've got the every comics from the ult. universe (if you want a an issue just PM me and il try and il use an image host to send them to you?)
3. Just as you said, just because he survived the nuke doesn't mean he's more pwoerful
4. True but He was in a stalemate with Heir Kaiser who's strength and durability proberbly surpasses Collosus's.
5. His head was held on by a SINGLE thread..... and he managed to heal from that... pretty impressive by anyones standards.. again i have the scan somewhere
hmm yes it might be let me try and find the scan.... but it is stated several times in the opening issues of ult. X-men that wolverine is the most dangerous mutant on earth
I'm off to work so I don't have the time to properly respond to every point. However you're wrong on almost every retort here:
It's NOT Ult Wolverine not that it matters if he's "mutant zero" or not,
Ult Wolverine HASN'T Cut through Ult Colossus's skin,
I don't need to PM you for issues, everything I'm saying or the points I'm making are based on what I've read. Apart from Ult FF I've read pretty much everything in the Ult Universe.
Surviving a nuke doesn't make him more powerful than who? Ultimate Cap?? I think it does
And he's repeatedly had his @ss kicked, Cyclops took him out with a single shot after coming back from the Savage Land.
Jean knocked him out when he was trying to kill someone from Weapon X in they're very first encounter.
Magneto immoblized him along with the rest of the X-Men until ULT COLOSSUS GOT UP AND KNOCKED MAGENTO AROUND, NO ONE ELSE HAD THE STRENGTH OR THE WILL TO DO SO.
I wasn'tt insulting you knowledge.. i was simple asking if you wanted to read some issues that you may have missed... i might not agree with you who wins but the ultimate universe has some great storylines i just asked if you wanted to read some but evidently you already have....
ultimate colosuss is nothing to be played with, he solos them
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O shit i totally forgot about the drugs.... and i thought it only help mutants.... it makes a mutant almost like a GOD i think if i read the issue right?