so you ask for proof, we give it, so you don't accept it and say that even though we just proved that she can use any/all of her powers while phased, you still can't/wont believe that she can use one simple power while phased when she happens to be touching someone else?
Next thing you'll be asking us to show a scan of when Moonstone and Mandarin last amalgamated.
You're going to refract a force beam with a device that refracts light? what about a sonic blast? a disintegration beam? a electric blast? etc, etc ... you demand proof all the time (which we continuously supply) then base your own arguments on one-off scans that don't even show the feat you want to use ... those things refract light, nothing more.
That's starting to sound familiar.
Iron Man outfought Captain America (Civil War)
Mandarin outfought Iron man (after Civil War)
Once you show your guys wearing a nuke into battle then exploding it and being completely unharmed .... let me know.
Anyone who thinks Vision stalemating/getting the better of Silver Surfer is NOT incredibly stupid PIS, please say so in the discussion thread.
Nice scan, if anyone hasn't read the issue, Moonstone isn't even in control of her powers at that point (after having absorbed a second Moonstone from an alternate Earth) and was fighting both the Avengers and the Thunderbolts at once, making it easy for Vision to sneak attack from behind ... he wont be getting that chance here.
Here's a couple of scans of Moonstone blasting Vision while he is intangible:
Wow, please show me scans of her using microwaves radiation to set air on fire ... it's not like she's the Human Torch who has actually flames to burn away the air, she uses radiation which travels through the air.
He (Vision) is slowed because the atoms of his body are so tightly compacted that any motion becomes much more difficult.
Classic denial in the face of unquestionable evidence ... you can actually see the point where the rain starts:
Please keep arguing this point, it's helping us out tremendously.
That's your defence against temperatures that will crystalise the blood in your veins within moments? wow, then why not just use the bat-flashlight? surely all sources of heat are at the same temperature as well ... I wonder why the small star plugged into my lamp hasn't burnt the earth to a crisp by now (must be a wizard involved somehow I guess)
For one part of one story ... I suppose that means he keeps it forever ... I saw a comic of Hal Jordan giving Batman a GL ring once as well, why didn't you bring that to the match as well?
It's getting old now, we've already proved she can use all her powers at once ... but if you want to get technical she doesn't actually have to touch people to make them intangible:
You should probably drop this point for the sake of your own credibility.
See above, then start worrying.
Actually you're wrong about that. Vision's "intangibility" is actually a severe density reduction by pushing his atoms farther apart, it would do nothing to protect him from an EMP.
See all the parts where I already showed you that you're wrong about this (it wont take long, there's quite a few by this point)
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Surprised that I got that all in in lass than 7000 characters.
So yeah:
The fear gas thing doesn't work.
The unproven psionic thing sounds like BS to me.
The Vision/Surfer thing is PIS at its worst.
The denial was amusing but now just seems desperate.
The prep defence of "It's Batman so anything I claim would work, will work" is laughable.
The demand for scans of every little thing is annoying, especially after we've already supplied that proof and when you're not backing up any of your own stuff.
Our claims have been backed by evidence.
Our prep isn't convoluted or over reaching in any way.
Our attacks are well within the proven paramaters of each character.
Our team has counters for anything FG's team can dish out.
Our defence is better.
Our offence is more powerful.
I feel like we've shown enough to win this and I'd like to think that anyone who reads it over would probably agree.
The Opposing team seams to think they have this in the bag.
I have yet to see any proof that Moonstone can fight while phasing two others. The scan of Moonstone phasing everyone while not even touching is "Impressive" but, She was out of her mind in the scan from what I gather, and I have no way of knowing if she'd picked up the 2nd moonstone by then. Thus making her feat invalid as she would be herald level. Either Way, It's not in moonstone character to normally do that and thier prep didn't any push moonstone to those circumstances. So They still have yet to prove that moonstone can even fight while phasing others. And as thier prep showed, She's touching to others. So how in the HELL does she fire any blast or Punch if she's touching her comrads? One of Which is an empty shell becuz her magic powers have been stripped.
Now on to storm. He says I didn't give any proof that Firestar Scrambles Psionic Based powers. I referenced Emma Frost, Empath,and Darkling. She also was able to scramble Asylum's Psionic based powers. All four have different types of Psionic Powers. And if anyone is Wondering Just how powerful of a disruption she can make, take note of this scan one more time...
this is a guy who controls the darkforce dimension psionically and had the entire city of New York Under his control. He even managed to take control of Half of the city's heroes using his Darkforce Psionic based powers. Firestar was the only hero Able to scramble his powers. He didn't psionically control the Heroes, He controlled the dark matter around them forcing them to do his bidding while they were still in thier right minds. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/...Comics/2612.jpg
And just more proof that she scrambles even the highest levels of Psionic based powers
Someone said that Firestar can't super Heat the Air. I say that is how she flies. I still fail to see how she would get frozen with her amp that I've given her. But The opposing team seems to think they are going to freeze FireStar. Firestar's going to kill whomever she attacks because Hot air is going to destroy that person's lungs.
The Opposition would have you believe Batman doesn't have the fear toxins on hand and that it would take him too long to create the formulas. We need to look at what Alfred tells Mr. Wayne Closely.
It's pretty clear that they didn't take any time on this match. Didn't give it any thought. They thought becuz they were both great debators that they could just say any old thing and everyeone would fall for it.
Hell, they want us to believe that Storm is going to create Gale force winds, while super chilling the air, in conjunction with mandarin's ring, while phased. In the scan they provided, Storm was cooling something down. And it was taking her time to do that. But they want an instant flash freeze storm? Why didn't she just instantly cool what ever she was supposed to in the scan? It was taking her time to do so. Was it because she was phased?
Storm's powers do run into interference. Let me show you and explain.
I've already shown that Firestar can disrupt Psionic based powers in a similiar way. And Here storm is, saying out of her own mouth that her powers can be disrupted. Hell, Magneto has disruped Storm's powers and Psionic based powers with his Control over the EM field.
I was going to post a scan of Power Pax's destroyer power. But It isn't really needed for what I'm explaining. See, The competition must think everyone else is stupid. They say they've chilled the Air to absolute zero. They never explained if they turned it off. Which means the 2nd they unphase to attack, they would be dead by thier own attack. everyone on thier team has to breathe. It's too late to go back and try and switch up tactics to take care of that.
Then it occurred to me that in order to have absolute zero, you have to have absence of movement.
Now here is the problem with them thinking they are going to freeze Vision. We have a guy who is 90 tons, super dense, and yet loaded with Solar and Disentegrator energy.
Science lesson kiddies, Solar Energy is not stopped by absolute zero. If it were, then the earth would never get any heat. Light isn't slowed by Absolute zero. Which I showed in my scans earlier that the kid was energized to light the way in the sewer. So they have two hard science facts to over come. How are they freezing a being radiating Light and actually is said energy, and how are they freezing abeing with Solar energy stored in it's cells?
They based thier entire plan on Moonstone being able to phase her two teamates and fight. what the hell. Not one scan was produced to show this was possible.
I produced scans of Batman's phaser withstanding the air of the upperatmosphere. which is nearly absolute zero. I produced scans showing that the attack won't work on firestar. And Her Super Heating the air is natural to her flying ability. Not to mention the severe Amp I gave her by putting the RECIEVING end of the Boom tube behind her. The Open end beind at the edge of the atmosphere into space.
Leo says his team will teleport behind my team. That would be right into the boomtube and into space. A self BFR.
Let's say that You dont' believe all of my fear toxins can get around them. I didn't either. I assumed some would miss.
Let's say that you don't believe Firestar can psy scramble storm's powers.
Let's even say you don't think Batman's prep is all that good.
They still have to deal with phosphoric Nanites that would kill Storm. Even invulnerable. the only way to stop the nanites from burning away the breathing air is to take away more air.
Magik is Useless in this fight. She has neither the power nor defense to do anything. So I suppose Moonstone is going to just hold on to her the entire fight? Or she's going to die a cold death in storm's own freeze trap or get owned by Firestar who's wielding binary level star power.
Which Still leaves Moons stone one against 3. Does she have omnidirection attacks? If She doesn't, she's going to keep missing Batmaster.
What does she have in her arsenal to take down tiny Vision Pax? while she's busy fighting FireBall and Batmaster, Tiny Super Vision could easily pwn her like this
This will be my last post of the match as it's late, I'm tired and Leo might want to have a final stab at it.
Enjoy....
We're quietly confident. (well ... I'm quiet, Leo is your basic Canadian Hockey fan so he's probably jumping around shouting "eh?" while drinking whatever Canadians drink)
Basic extrapolation, we showed her doing everything else she needs to do to pull off this relatively simple tactic ... if I can't find a scan of Batman doing a 3 point turn in the Batmobile it doesn't mean he can't do it (or does it???)
You've seen her use multiple powers at once (I know this because I've posted the scans in this match) this is no different.
*sigh* it's from Thunderbolts V1 issue #31, the second moonstone was obtained in issue #68.
Our prep , as we explained IN our prep, was to start with a basic offense/defense combo while holding back from an all out assault until we knew what we were facing ... if you had been smart you'd have done the same, only a fool rushes in to battle against unknown enemies.
Ergonomics now? ok, She's holding Magik and Brit/Storm is holding her shoulder, that do ya? (and why would she try to punch when phased?)
She shot the guy in the chest ... so what? and why are you cropping the scans? did that guy seriously pwn her in the next panel proving that she hardly bothered him or something?
That single image by itself proves nothing more than Firestar can fire energy from her hands and sometimes hit giant guys int he chest (she should have aimed at his eyes though)
And FYI, references aren't proof.
A scan of her saying she doesn't know if she can do what you want her to do is proof? in what country?
No, I said that her microwave radiation doesn't burn the oxygen around her, not that she can't heat it.
Well .... what we've cleared up here is that Fangirl's plans are, literally, a lot of hot air ...
I read through that scan a few times just to make sure ... but I still can't see the part where Alfred points to the huge storage tanker that holds thousands of tons of fear gas .... is it behind the glass of water?
Hurricane force actually.
No, it was because she didn't have an alien ring that can drop the temperature down to absolute zero in less than a second:
So now you want to compare Firestar to Exodus and Magneto?!?!?! the only thing they have in common is that they are mutants, their powers couldn't be more different and .... if you look very closely at your own scan, you'll see that Storm's powers were still working, she just states that telekinetic abilities could (not "will") interfere with her powers ... which is pure speculation as it never came up.
Not everyone, no.
lol ... look at the scan I've posted multiple times, the cold effect moves away from the user and is being pushed farther and faster by Storm's mini hurricane.
No, but solar powered machines are ... seriously, go dip your calculator in a vat of liquid nitrogen and see what happens (not quite as cold as we're going in this match but you'll get the point.
There were at least 4 scans showing Moonstone operating her other powers while phased ... ignoring things doesn't always make them go away.
Correction, "Jekka's phaser" which Batman borrowed for that one situation. Also it didn't protect him from the cold, he had to hide inside a pipe or something to do that.
Nope, there are lots of ways ... for instance, we could freeze them (maybe we could use some sort of super cold attack to do that)
Well that explains why we hardly used her.
When she's merged with Mandarin? sure she does (I posted scans of that massive reality shredding omni directional attack earlier)
"I could heat the air .... or something"
wow ... that's some devastating scan you found there.
I'm going to take a risk here by not countering Firestar's ability to make the air slightly warmer ... or something.
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Basic Extrapofreakinglation? So I can' extrapolate that Firestar who's scrambled Psionic based powers but, you want everyone to believe moonstone is going to phase two others, with her hands as it was shown she had to use her hands to do such, and still fight offensively. You failed in the attempt. More Humor Please.
I've seen her use multiple powers at once while in battle. Still haven't seen her Using multiple powers while phasing others. You failed again.
And she's clearly out of her mind. And everyone she phased couldn't affect each other. Score for me. Your teammates are affecting shit when you've shown yourself that her phasing power effectively blocks everyone else who's phased. they don't have the control she does to phase and attackYou really screwed up yourself with that one
No your prep was shit. Not well thought out. You thought you were going to get away with moonstone phasing everybody while fighting. Hell no she wasn't.
Now show me Moonstone phasing others and fighting. From What I see, once she phases people, they can't fight themselves. You pwnedyourself.
It's not my scan. I just know the story. She pwned his psionic powers. New warriors annual. and issues 31-33 I believe.
Well now we are getting somewhere. At least we know your chilled air won't do jack to FS. But really, How hot does the air have to get before your team's lungs burn?
He says, must you plan for all of them. batman says you never know when. So excuse me, He's always ready.
Now All she has to do is get storm's powers to work while phased and somehow prove that she can use powers while phasing others. You still have failed to show that.
Actually Firestar and Magneto's powers are closely related. As are Psionic based powers. Which is why magneto was able to hamper marvel psys.
The winds move away. But you've already chilled the air in your area. Providing you show us how storm is affecting anything while phased. Your own scan pwned you. But you didn't reheat the air. the air you chilled is still frozen. the moment you unphaze, your team is dead from your own attack.
Yes but this is a machine that actually turned his body into an energy trap. The disentegrator powers show the kid being totally lit by the energy.
and it won't go away that none of those scans show her operating her powers whilephasing others!!
The phaser protected jekka from the cold. And He never gave the phaser back. She doesn't even have it at the end of the story when she's with Orion.
It's obvious that they didn't do jack in the way of prep. And they thought I would fall for some scans of moonstone phasing. He pwned himself when Moonstone did phase everyone. No one was able to affect anyone else. Sorry kids, scoobles fvcked up his own match with that scan. vote fangirl. It only makes sense.
Just for kicks Scoobles own scan that pwns him, no one can affect the other while being phased. Ha ha.
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i'm seriously not quite sure why you keep hammering the whole storm-can't-use-her-powers-while-phased-thing.
i thought i pointed clearly in my post that IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE IS PHASED! once we teleport behind you, it doesn't matter whether we are tangible or not. we still get the first assault, we still do . . . all the stuff i said we do. EMP, disintegration, transmute the air in your shields, lightning strikes, turn you to stone, etc . . .
as far as scrambling storm's powers--her willpower is legendary in marvel, i showed her fighting off emma who was attacking her directly with her psi-powers. here are a couple more:
the examples of her resistance to people trying to mess with her mind her numerous. and you've still not shown FS affecting anyone who was NOT a telepath. AND it doesn't matter because you're dead anyway before you even have a CHANCE to muddle with her powers.
your boomtube is IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE. it says so in your prep. we easily teleport behind you.
your gas and nanites are destroyed by the wind and cold, your gas if anyone believed it is inert and blown off the continent by winds that can push wood through DIAMOND. magik is hardly useless--she teleports us behind you to give us the surprise attack which gives us the win.
and i still don't think you understand absolute cold. MOLECULAR MOTION STOPS. can amped vision overcome it? perhaps, but it would hinder him, even if briefly. then the EMP to disrupt further and take him out of the fight while my team works in tandem to overload FS'd shields and change the air in them to poison.
our plan wasn't terribly elaborate, but it did EXACTLY what we wanted it to. it took out your gadgets and it hinders you--AT LEAST. it allows us to find you first, get behind you, and finish you.
That wasn't immature. It was a debate. It wasn't meant to be mean. It was my observation. And I got it off my chest. You should take your own advice. I never insulted you. Never called you out of name in a match.
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MOLECULAR MOTION STOPS. can amped vision overcome it? perhaps, but it would hinder him, even if briefly. then the EMP to disrupt further and take him out of the fight while my team works in tandem to overload FS'd shields and change the air in them to poison.
