Marvel have shown time and time again, that Hulk is a level above guys like Thor. sure Thor's magic mallet is something Hulk can't lift but, that's Odin's magic and Hulk has never really kept at it, ever.
Hulk is far more powerful than Thor, just that he doesn't have the flexibility nor the ability to summon that power without getting seriously out of control (leaking Gamma radiation, causing the planet to shake...).
It would be kind of cool if Marvel heroes were written so that Thor's the most powerful guy in the universe and only the Hulk can beat him. But if this is the Hulk and he isn't inhibited by having a sentient mind in his head and thus can tap into his full power, I don't see Thor coming out on top. But I think he could if Marvel wrote the hammer the way it should be written.
__________________ "Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of the women." - the prophet Mohammed, single-handed inventor of terrorism, pedophilia and moon-god worship
the hammer isn't all that, it's Asgardian magic alone, isn't it?
Hulk on the otherhand has produced thunderclaps which have enough power to deflect (head on) dimension destroying attacks.
also, he has once already released a universe of energy (something I daresay even Odin would struggle to replicate).
Hulk's high end feats are just ridiculous, but there's a lot of them, far too many to discount as "one off" feats. you essentially have to accept what Marvel say about the character (time and time again) he is the strongest one there is...
in comics too, if you take what Marvel have shown from over the decades.
Hulk is always stronger than Thor, opening doors that Thor cannot, bashing enemies that Thor cannot ... hell, Hulk's greatest feat is in or above Odin's league, nevermind Thor.
just consider the fact that he was physically the nexus between 2 universes and that he was outputting the energies of one universe, to keep a door open between them ... that is like being present at the Big Bang, way way beyond anything I've seen Thor take.
What I meant about the hammer is that it's dumb how it only hits as hard as Thor's fist. If it hit as hard for him as a normal hammer does for a human Thor's size/shape, he would be able to kill enemies in his own class in one hit. IMO Thor should be as strong as anyone, and only use the hammer on guys who are far above his level, like Thanos...otherwise Mjolnir should only be used for transportation, dimensional travel, weather-control, etc and other non-physical stuff. Remember that war hammers were actual weapons, built, intended and used to kill people. They weren't made of plastic.
__________________ "Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of the women." - the prophet Mohammed, single-handed inventor of terrorism, pedophilia and moon-god worship
I don't think that Thor can win an all out battle, that's just me I suspect.
I know Thor has versatility and magic on his side but, at the end of the day he can only be as powerful as Odin's magic. and that's got a definite limit to it (Juggernaut cannot be hurt by Thor's strongest attack).
Hulk on the otherhand is the definition of a plot device character. he can grab and smash things that have no physical mass, he can +see+ magic/illusions and see their point of origin, he can resist mind control etc etc ...
all that is powered by some universe worth of "infinite" energy, no appreciable limits.
Marvel did the litmus test on power with the Onslaught Saga, imo, and Hulk is the one they showed to have passed where all else failed.
so all out power, I'd say Hulk outclasses Thor by some margin.
versatility and finesse, Thor wins by a landslide - just bfr Hulk, KO Hulk with a snap attack (though once Hulk recovers )... etc etc
If so God Blast, Anti-Force, are all valid ways to dispose of the Hulk.
Thor is capable of holding his own against this Hulk in hand to hand as evident in their previous encounter for at least a while (I would post scans but for some reason I am not allowed to. In that fight, the moment it said he would stop holding back his "strength", strength and not power, he was able to sent Hulk flying with a single blow, and kept on pushing him further back).
Utilizing the full abilities of his hammer, he wins this fight.
Power > Strength, in this scenario.
Being strong doesn't mean much if Thor uses his God Blast or teleports Hulk into a Black Hole (Does that count as battle field removal? He technically wins because he did destroy his opponent, that isn't simply sending your opponent away)
Thor is greatly underestimated on this boards.
He has never once, ever, used his wide range of abilities in a fight with Hulk. Even in hand to hand combat, where he excels, the most Hulk has ever done is give him superficial wounds such as a bloody lip etc.
God Blast has sent Galactus fleeing, the Anti Force defeated Mangog etc. etc.
If he can match him in a hand to hand fight to basically a stalemate he wins an all out fight. He stalemates Silver Surfer and fights of Cosmic threats with his full range of abilities.
Don't get me wrong Hulk is no push over and should have the advantage in a hand to hand fight (Not all the time depending on incarnations) but Thor wins in an all out fight.
I'm assuming this is Classic Thor, but just to be sure, which Thor is this, Classic Thor or Current Thor? I'm assuming it's one of those and not Odin Force Thor or Rune King Thor.
sending Hulk into a blackhole would constitute a win via BFR but it most certainly would come close to destroying Hulk. I'm not sure it would have any effect at all, in fact.
I'd bet the GodBlast wouldn't be able to dispose of Hulk either, he's taken far more powerful 'attacks' without much trouble.
Onslaught saga? It's up there with the Spider-man clone saga.
Onslaught evolved to the next level, most assume he allowed it as he didn't put up that much of a resistance.
The Juggernaut is immune to physical attacks to a great extent. Not even WWH was able to harm the Juggernaut or over power him.
Thor has harmed the Juggernaut with mystical attacks before as he is vulnerable to them (Although that instance the writer obviously had no knowledge of Juggernaut's power set. I am of course referring to their second fight, the one involving his Force Field).
You stated that the Juggernaut cannot be hurt by Thor's strongest attacks?
Besides that stupid incident with the Professor (PIS by the way) and War Hulk (Upgraded with Celestial Tech) when has the Hulk ever done damage to Cain?
A hand to hand fight is one thing, but Thor using all his abilities, stalemates the Silver Surfer, fights Thanos etc.
Hulk will and should lose based on logic in an all out fight. Hand to hand it's his thing and he should win (Still debatable seeing as how Thor has always been able to stalemate him to an extent) in my opinion but in all out fight, the powerful God Blast is good enough for a knock out in my opinion.
I could go into a debate, and make a logical statement which would show how and why Hulk can be destroyed by a Black Hole, but instead I'll say this.
He teleports him to Galactus' ship and that would be the end of that. Of course that count's as battle field removal most likely, and that's against the rules.
The God Blast has sent Galactus fleeing, and in a weakened state, did something impossible, actually stopped the Juggernaut (In a weakened state where he could barely stand, was barely able to stay conscious after catching a flying bus etc.), something Hulk needed an upgrade to accomplish. From Celestial Tech I might add. The same Celestial Tech that created Harbringer etc.
other than that, there's direct evidence, many times, of Hulk being far superior to all the rest (say the mountain feat in Secret Wars), when they've all had an opportunity to share the burden but only Hulk has been able to.
God Blast would KO him, perhaps, but that's the first time, next time it'd be next to useless (Hulk just amps up).
also, Hulk is always holding back, as long as Banner is in there. Thor has never felt an Onslaught busting punch from Hulk and who knows how powerful his punches at the nexus of all realities were? they were rocking an infinite number of worlds across infinite dimensions...
to me, total power output places Hulk a league above Thor, but effective power - finesse and control - along with versatility give Thor the landslide in all out battle (BFR, naturally being the main avenue for victory).
I don't believe the godblast is a viable attack against Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk is too fast and unpredictable to be hit by an such an attack. Godblast is viable only against slow moving opponents imo.
But I agree if Thor manages to hit Hulk with the godblast, he'll win.
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also, as to your inquiry about which version of Thor is used, it's Thor without Odinforce.
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Jan 20th, 2009 03:09 PM
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