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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Like I said, Genis-Vell is all hype, and most of his feats are circumstantial. Context changes them significantly.

I love Genis-Vell. Easily one of my favorite characters ever, but he is more hype than actual power.
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I disagree with all of this.


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^ Most of what you said is actually very very wrong.


Which part?

I never even stated anything about Genis-Vell directly, except that context changes his feats and their are circumstantial.

All I did was ask him to clarify his statements. I also said that he is a lot of hype which is also true, if you've seen some of the crap I've had to deal with before.

This is most of my post. I mostly asked him to clarify.

How exactly am I wrong?

"The Nega Bands give him Infinite Power?

I haven't seen this Infinite Power. Since when are the Nega Bands, weapons of limitless power?

His soul is part of the Heart of the Universe?

Are you saying, he can access the Heart of the Universe and all it's power?

I've never seen him wield that much power."


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I disagree with all of this.


With some of the people I've come, in my experience he is a great deal of hype.


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How does that mean that most of his feats are circumstantial?


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Here you go my man - Genis collapsing and restarted Wanda's universe (he may have done it twice [there's evidence for this, but it was only directedly stated here]), and saying he might destroy all reality...

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Yeah, that's the instance I was thinking of.

I disagree with the notion of Genis having actually collapsed reality there - but there's no reason to argue it. Anyhow, wasn't that version 'different' from his mainstream self?


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I disagree with the notion of Genis having actually collapsed reality, but there's no reason to argue it. Anyhow, wasn't that version 'different' from his mainstream self?


In a way. This was during his Photon phase. And his power works a little differently as Photon than from Captain Marvel. However, it was before that transformation was fully complete.

But I think what you may have been asking was, since it was an alternate universe version of the character, was his power different from the 616 one? My answer is no. He immediately knows something is wrong when he's warped into Wanda's universe, since his CA is omniversal. And when he touches Flashback, he becomes fully himself - which is why he's able to see the 616 universe (in the second scan I posted.) Genis as Photon exists in all realities at once, and all are the same 'Genis.'

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With some of the people I've come, in my experience he is a great deal of hype.
Nega Bands allow him to channel photonic energy, which is literally the fundamental building block of reality according to Marvel science. He's killed Eternity once already, he threatened it again later unconsciously. Death held no meaning to him since he's actually killed himself and just come back, he's resurrected dead characters before, and he can travel back and forth in time. He was an omniversal telepath. This is all on-panel. How is this all hype?


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He destroyed an Eternity that was willing with Entropy off panel. Resurrecting the dead is impressive, but others have done it. He had Cosmic Awareness that was for all intents and purposes Omniversal.

That doesn't mean, he can go around crushing abstracts in the palm of his hand. It was off panel.

On some of the boards I've been, people have said he is more powerful than Living Tribunal etc. and crap like that.

In my experience, he has been more hype than anything. Doesn't still change the fact that Genis-Vell is powerful and badass but some I've come across a lot of people who take it to far.


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He destroyed an Eternity that was willing with Entropy off panel. Resurrecting the dead is impressive, but others have done it. He had Cosmic Awareness that was for all intents and purposes Omniversal.

That doesn't mean, he can go around crushing abstracts in the palm of his hand. It was off panel.

On some of the boards I've been, people have said he is more powerful than Living Tribunal etc. and crap like that.

In my experience, he has been more hype than anything. Doesn't still change the fact that Genis-Vell is powerful and badass but some I've come across a lot of people who take it to far.
Entropy trapped Eternity, Genis actually killed him.

Eternity is also on the higher end of abstract beings.


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But I think what you may have been asking was, since it was an alternate universe version of the character, was his power different from the 616 one?
Well at first I couldn't remember if Genis was one of the characters who's powers were 'altered' in order to suit his dreams (as was the case with many others.) After I made that post I remembered that, while reality had been altered entirely, the ony thing which had changed with Genis was his initial frame of mind.


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Entropy trapped Eternity, Genis actually killed him.

Eternity is also on the higher end of abstract beings.


We never saw what happened. In one issue they went on a quest to destroy Eternity, with Entropy, and the next issue, Eternity was already destroyed.

They had bound him somehow, and destroyed him. Somehow he was reduced to the point he can be destroyed.

Either way, it was off panel. According to some people, it's as if, Genis-Vell alone, fought and massacred Eternity.

King Thor, tossing Mjolnir has broken through his Force Field and set him flying...


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Nega Bands allow him to channel photonic energy


I loved the rest of your post. This is just a minor correction, and explanation of how the Nega Bands work, and why their power is infinite:

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Now, as Photon the Nega Bands actually absorbed into Genis' very being, and he was photonic energy.

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We never saw what happened. In one issue they went on a quest to destroy Eternity, with Entropy, and the next issue, Eternity was already destroyed.

They had bound him somehow, and destroyed him. Somehow he was reduced to the point he can be destroyed.

Either way, it was off panel. According to some people, it's as if, Genis-Vell alone, fought and massacred Eternity.

King Thor, tossing Mjolnir has broken through his Force Field and set him flying...
We do know what happened, Entropy bound him and Genis killed him. There was never any mention of his power being reduced, though.


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I loved the rest of your post. This is just a minor correction, and explanation of how the Nega Bands work, and why their power is infinite:

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Now, as Photon the Nega Bands actually absorbed into Genis' very being, and he was photonic energy.
What happened to Rick when he became Photon?


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What happened to Rick when he became Photon?

I don't recall them explaining it, but I imagine somehow they became molecularly unbonded. Considering that Rick was in WWH and all, without the bands.

Dunno. no expression

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Yea, he kinda just stopped being important after Captain Marvel comic ended.


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We do know what happened, Entropy bound him and Genis killed him. There was never any mention of his power being reduced, though.


It was stated he was bound and then destroyed off panel.

Eternity, doesn't even have a physical being in the true sense to destroy. He is everything. The embodiment of the Universe.

Of course the bonding must have reduced him to the level where he could actually be destroyed. It was never said how he was destroyed etc. if I recall.


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^ Yes it was. Genis said he crushed him in his fist:

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It was stated he was bound and then destroyed off panel.

Eternity, doesn't even have a physical being in the true sense to destroy. He is everything. The embodiment of the Universe.

Of course the bonding must have reduced him to the level where he could actually be destroyed. It was never said how he was destroyed etc. if I recall.
All abstracts have physical manifestations.

Never said, mentioned, or hinted at that the bonding brought his power level down.


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