Really? I haven't always disliked Thanos. Really got into him during the 90's, like most of Marvel's stuff, but last few stories (last Starlin one and one before that) have left me uninspired.
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Mandrakk is above the concepts and limits displayed by the HOTU. Also, there is a huge difference not being illuminated.
HOTU absorbed a multiverse. Mandrakk feeds on "Story." And unluckily for Thanos, his story is WEAK. And Mandrakk is above a multiverse by so much it's not even funny.
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It's not about who has the most fanboys rooting for him, it's about realizing the simple fact that Thanos would utterly destroy Mandrakk, whether it be through creating his own miracle machine or simply absorb him.
Nobody seems to understand the concept of Mandrakk.
Thanos would only win in a context where he represents "good" or the comic book reader's desire for good to prevail. The thanos fan's belief in him should be more than enough to warrant a victory over Mandrakk
No, everybody understands what he is and represents. Thing is, the outcome of battles are determined by feats.
If someone breaks the forth wall, or is an representation of that doesn't matter. Because one could in the same sense argue that if a battle was written in a She-Hulk comic she'd just scramble the page and throw it down a trash can.
If someone represented the concept of always being greater than his opponent would he take down The-One-Above-All?
It's not that simple (as I'm sure you know.) Mandrakk was beaten by a story 'better' than his own. That's why it could have only been Superman (utilizing the CA) who overcame him - as his story is > all others. Understand that this is almost purely a conceptual battle. Other attributes hardly play a factor at all.
Unfortunately a cliche who was made to be defeated only by a "story" better than his own.
So unless it's Supes, Jesus, or another character than seriously transcends regular comics/stories on a whole other level then they aren't winning.
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He was physically overpowered and thrown into the Overvoid by Superman in a PIS suit of armor.
HOTI, as I'm sure you'd agree, is about the biggest PIS device out there save for the Miracle Machine. And Thanos' feats also surpass Mandrakk's. And his implied as well as demonstrated power surpasses Mandrakk's.
All this 'story' and 'fiction/metafiction' crap is exactly that. 4th Wall stuff that shouldn't be included in a vs. powerset. Otherwise Deadpool, She-Hulk, and Mxy would always win their battles. Him losing to Superman's 'story' is ridiculous to argue for in a vs. battle, because on panel he was flat out overpowered by Superman. That's it. Whatever other crap Morrison attaches to it, good for him. No one argues that the reason why Mxy will win his battles is because he's going to jump out of the comic into the real world, grab the script for the character he's fighting in the match, and alter it to affect the outcome. Ditto for other 4th Wall-type characters. There is no 'story' here on KMC. There's the characters and what they've done.
And Thanos wins with ease. Mandrakk's facing a Supreme Being here.
Based on? Exactly. If we went by this logic characters can jump out of the comic books and destroy each other. It's beyond ridiculous.
These fights never take place outside the story or even in a story. That's the point because in the stories Superman/Hulk/Thor rarely die or are beaten at the end.
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He was overpowered by an armor made by Mandrakk himself before his fall. Get your hating bullshit out of here.
DP and She-Hulk are irrelevant. But it's interesting your bring up Mxy. THE ONLY CHARACTER WITH NOT ONLY LEGITIMATE 4TH WALL BUSTING POWERS, but the ability to use it as a weapon and part of his powerset. You and Mr. M can hate all you want. But it does not change the essential nature of his powers, or Mandrakk's.
Implied power? HA! Mandrakk was the most powerful entity in DC save for the Prime Monitor itself. Given the scale and nature of his abilities, even the Presence itself might not be able to stop it. Superman used Mandrakk's powers against it by wishing for the one thing that could actually stop him. A literal "Happy Ending." That was not a joke, it was the only way to stop him.
PIS= I don't like it, it didn't happen. Or, I don't want my guy to lose despite the obvious.
" No one argues that the reason why Mxy will win his battles is because he's going to jump out of the comic into the real world, grab the script for the character he's fighting in the match, and alter it to affect the outcome." Actually, I can make a legitimate arguement that he can do exactly that. And you can't say a thing to prove otherwise.
you want to disbar meta-fiction? Too bad. That's the entire premise of the character. Morrison himself attached all that extra shit as you put it. Just because you're too much of an ignorant tool like Quan to appreciate a brilliant concept, don't try and insult the rest of us by making us listen to your fanboy drivel.
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May 9th, 2009 05:02 AM
Exactly. If we went by this logic characters can jump out of the comic books and destroy each other. It's beyond ridiculous.
