He actually destroyed segments of his helmet. While Beta only managed to crack a hole in it.
My only argument is that Tenebrous hits harder than Beta Ray Bill, and Surfer took what looked like a full on swing from him.
The only way you could be disagreeing with this is by saying that Beta hits harder.
Because it was the attack Hulk does all the time. A sonic clap. You put that much power together and you're going to get shockwaves.
Well, they'd have to stand still for the attack Beta hit Galactus with.
And in one shot? Surfer wasn't out for the attack(s) Tenebrous(Aegis) hit him with, I doubt he'd be out with one shot from Beta.
Hull? Are you talking about Galactus armor?
BTW, what if Surfer hits him a planet destroying blast? Sure he survived a planet destroying, buh wuh abote a blastss???
If surfer hits him with a planet destroying blast its going to have the same affect that it had on beta before, nothing.
I agree, I know that tenebrous hits harder than beta but when you provide some proof showing that it was more than a planet destroying punch and tenebrous put all of his might into it THEN i would agree.
You use the galactus clap against beta as a low showing when it was plain and clear that it was more than what it appeared. Didnt that clap also bfr them beta and star dust?
Beta damaged the hull which also appeared as galactus armor since he did reform after the attack. I dont know what in the hell it was but its pretty obvious that its more durable than surfer and supes since galactus seen betas attack as a threat.
They wont have to stand still since beta hit the hull immediately. That attack was nothing like the god blast.
Team 1. No one on team 2 can take what BRB will be dishing out, thor and bill can block any attack from surfer and if thor cuts loose ( which on here he will ) then team 2 gets rocked hard. Superman is the weak link here because he goes down with one and only one strike. Even surfer has gone down to thors hammer.
Nope, thats not the argument. This started with me asking has supes or surfer shown that they can take planet destroying hits. Theres no on panel proof showing otherwise that either can. Not energy attacks but physical blows.
I also brought up the fact that beta doesnt hold back and as soon as the fight starts he coming full force with planet destroying hits which should A)make either supes of surfer dizzy as hell or B) just out right knock them the hell out.
If we go by on panel evidence, both have been knocked out by much less. Surfer has been knocked out by tenebrous who did nothing but a moon busting attack (could have been more, going by what I seen) and supes being knocked out also by a moon busting attack (the difference with this is that he flew into the moon which make his feat much less than the surfers).
He didn't get hit by a planet destroying blast. If you want to play the dumb game, I can too... except mine is forced.
I don't have to provide proof it was a planet destroying attack. You just said that Tenebrous hits harder than Beta...
Also, again, if Tenebrous even jabbed, he would have enough power to destroy a planet. Use some common sense.
All his might for that sort of attack. You hit someone with a double hammerfist while you want to destroy them, you're not fooling around... especially when you pull back all the way.
I never used it as a low showing. I said it was less powerful than what Tenebrous does (assuming they're the same strength, and being that a dhf is more powerful than a clap). It wasn't more than it appeared... it was a clap, but because of Galactus' strength, it sent shockwaves through other things.
The clap didn't BFR them. They didn't even move...
All he did was make a small crack in Galactus' helmet armor...
He bullrushed into his head in a straight line... They would have to stand still, or be moving in a straight line forwards or backwards for him to catch them... quicker than they can move.
You truly hate supes huh? He's far away from being the wink link in this battle and he aint getting one shotted (Unless he lets beta ray hit him with that attack that damaged galactus hull).
Bill was on a planet when it blowed up and he suffered no damage; that should be proof enough.
I give up on the tenebrous and galactus feat but besides what you're bringing up, there really isnt any on panel proof of surfer taking planet destroying physical attacks; especially mutiple planet destroying attacks.
The thing about this fight is that silver surfer is a master at energy attacks which would fail against an energy absorber (bill). He has no choice but to come up close and personal which he would lose more than not against a scrapper like bill OR thor.
When will surfer ever get the chance to amp ANYONE. They would need a 3rd partner for this to happen because I'm pretty sure Beta OR Thor could keep surfer busy enough to stop the amping from happening.
Supes is weak to magic and is nowhere near the other 3 in output power, this can and will turn into an energy battle. Whats supes going to do?? try to match a God Blast or planet wrecking blast with heat vision??? Supes could well be the strongest on the field, but due to his weakness,( which thor and bill are LOADED WITH ) He goes down hard.
If we go by on panel evidence, both have been knocked out by much less. Surfer has been knocked out by tenebrous who did nothing but a moon busting attack (could have been more, going by what I seen) and supes being knocked out also by a moon busting attack (the difference with this is that he flew into the moon which make his feat much less than the surfers).
So you want to use low end feats to justify Surfer will be knocked out by Thor or BRB? Lol at you using tenebrous who is Galactus level as a negative for Surfer. Again you are looking at environmental damage to justify how powerful the shots were? Lol well ok Thor and BRB get put down by Spider-man with that logic. Thor has been K.O with small/no environmental damage before and so has Bill.
On average both Surfer and Superman have shown better durability feat than BRB or Thor.
Speaking of physical attack Surfer always did better at handle Hulk's attack than Thor so physically approach doesn't really help your case.
Good statement but supes isnt as weak to magic as you're making it and I dont think that its a straight out weakness that he has since almost EVERYONE is affected by magical powers. Hell, juggernaut is one of the most durable beings in comics but magic reduced him to the bone (by the way, magic also affect surfer).
Now I do agree, I give bill and thor the majority over supes but its not due to magic, they are just plain out better to me and more powerful.
But if we play the Carver game it isn't.
The same way how taking multiple hits by Tenebrous isn't enough to say that a planet destroying shot by BRB will not KO him.
But there is him taking the Tenebrous one, no?
Also, I'm sure there's more, but I can't be assed to look.
New argument!
So, Bill absorbs everything Surfer throws at him? That's certainly been the case for Bill in the past.
And he can zoom around him and pelt him with energy. It's not like he has one choice or the other. He's not going to get dropped in the first second in h2h, and his energy game isn't going to be nulled completely.
OMG, I never said that it was a low showing, I only asked if supes or surfer proven that they could withstand physical planet destroying hits, which they didnt.
Its beautiful that they lived through a moon busting feat, thats not what I'm asking and if you ask me its not a low showing but I specifically said that beta ray bill will start off trying to take there heads off and I just want to know if they're durable enough to handle something that they might have never encountered (hitting wise) before, a uru, planet destroying metal that is in the hand of a person that just dont care
Piercing damage, yeah, blunt force, hell no, not even close. Thor has fought some of the strongest characters in marvel and has yet to get one shotted.
I guess you didnt read the part where I said that it would take multiple hits.
Didnt bill absorb everything that star dust through at him with ease and while surfer is blasting at bill what is bill going to be doing, let me guess, just standing there.
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