Nicholson's Joker was smart, scary, charasmatic, and funny.
Ledgers Joker was the kind of guy all the little goth emos want to be like. The kind of guy that'd set up a web site for his death poetry and wack off to the Crow. I'm mean seriously the guy had to get up every morning and do his f*cking make up. I wouldn't be suprised if his lair was full of Maryln Manson and Rob Zombie posters.
Last edited by Nightstick on Jun 22nd, 2009 at 07:18 AM
Well honestly i'd have to say that if you didn't think that both ledger's, and nicholson's portrayal were good, you have some kind of bias here. Whether it be the oh, so infamous Tim Burton fandom or something else. Legders joker was just the right amount of dark and malicious, not to mention the manerisms. This was what the joker was. Nicholson was a completely different take on hte joker character. Both of them worthy of enormous praise. And since they are giving an obvious overtone of "reality" to the new batman movies, the whole, falling into a vat of chemicals thing was just to cliche in this case. So scars and makeup are perfectly acceptable.
I can tell you that its not Tim Burton Fandom. The truth is while I enjoyed "Batman" and "Batman Returns". "Batman Forever" was likely my favorite of the bunch.
As for Ledger's Joker being "this is what Joker was". Joker has jokes and gags and a good laugh from time to time. Ledgers whole melonchaly emo goth. I hate the world thing. Not very Joker like at all. Infact Nicholson was some how lighter and darker then Ledgers all at the same time. He was sadistic, but charming. Ledger not really scary, unless you find skinny, wannabe emo goth rockers scary. Maybe its just me, but he spent to much time spouting nonesensical anarchy idealogy to be scary. Its also not real dark its death poetry I practice witchcarft and listen to Manson dark. In the end Nicholson made a character unlike anything else around him. Where as Ledgers was aside from scars, make up, and speech impediment. Is a bog standered supposedly super intelligent Hollywood bad guy. In the Vain of the much better played Hannnibal Lector(not that "Silence of the Lambs" was great movie) or Cyrus Grissom. Infact we have seen Ledger style villians played better on CSI.
I have to ask why is it that everytime somebody says they didn't like Ledgers Joker or TDK. It is immediatly assumed they have a bias. Lets be honest. As sad as it is the only reason Ledger's performance got the hype it did was because he passed away.
Now Eckhart as Dent and Latter Two-Face in the small role they gave him was great. A different take from Tommy Lee-Jones, but equally as good if not better. Kane was no Gough, but still a solid perfomance as was Freemans. Oldman(?)(the guy who played Gordon) was decent as well. Were they enough to save the movie. No it was still mess. A mess with some potential, but a mess none the less. For the record "Begins" was better. Still not a great movie, but Freeman, Kane, and Neeson most of all made it watchable.
As for over tones of "reality" anybody who thinks they can give reality to a movie about man in a Bat suit fighting gangs of machine gun armed goons with his mystic ninja-fu. With out acknowledging the sillyness of the concept. Is kidding themselves.
That is a very broad look at the character he played and you know it. And that's the thing, see even i did it at first. I went into comic book movies expecting the exact mirror image of the comics. And this is not how to look at it. The anarchy thing is something he said once to turn dent to the dark side. He doesn't believe that crap that he says. As micheal caine adequately put "some men just want to watch the world burn". I didn't even go into the movie with the "can't wait to see ledger as the joker", attitude. I went in for the Eckart two face to see if he could do the role justice. And i agree he did spectacular. The only problem i had was not that you liked the Nicholson batman more, it was the "you're stupid for thinking the heath ledger batman was good", attitude. Like a said they are completely different roles/characters. Neither was what the sociopath from the comics truly was. And without years of character build, neither will ever be. But the assumption that it got hype because he died is mostly not true. I'm sure it added to it. But ever since the origional teaser hit the theaters and youtube, there was plenty of hype.
Uh watch the world burn(I.E chaos) is well more or less a different way of saying, you know anarchy. I don't think anybody is stupid for likeing TDK or Ledger Joker, but the hyping him(and the movie) at the expence of Nicholson and "Batman" is just rediculas and needs to be rebuked. Why, not because Ledger's was the worst villian ever, I have seen worse, but simply because it was nothing special, nor was it the best portyal of this kind of villian I have seen, Again with everything in TDK and "Begins" they tried to damn hard and took it far to serious.
I didn't expect it to be a mirror image of the comic. None of them were and I still liked some of them.
While it is true that the movie and Ledger were huge from the begining. His passing is what propelled it from being huge in the Comic Book Forum crowd to being good in the potential Oscar crowd.
On another note its good to find another fan of Eckart's perfomance it is all to often over shadowed by people singing Ledgers praises.
I'm sick of the whole "Ledgers Joker is emo" nonsense. If any of the posers ever met Ledgers Joker, they'd be pissing their pants before they get gassed or get a gunshot to the face.
TDK Joker IS insane, he betrayed his own philosophy several times.
Take your garden variety emo-kid off the street today, give him a machine-gun and the minerals to actually shoot me with it, I'd be scared too. So what's your point?
Is the average emo an actual nilhilist like TDK Joker? Are they a tactical genius? A specialist at mind****ery and subterfuge? Are they talented chemists?
People claim that he was making some sort of important point about humanity. While it COULD be true, the fact that he's still acting the way he does despite being proved wrong when Batman doesn't kill him means that he's doing this just to stir s*it up.
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Jun 21st, 2009 05:56 PM
Is the average emo an actual nilhilist like TDK Joker? Are they a tactical genius? A specialist at mind****ery and subterfuge? Are they talented chemists?
