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What SHOULD happen is not the way we debate. If it was, WWH wouldnt have got that far because there were MANY mutants on Marvel earth who could have mashed him.

What we go by here is Character history, some CIS, consistant showings and the truth is, Spider-man shows consistancy..in getting beat down in h2h fights with Top tier Martial artists. People like Blade or Kraven who rock him like a child.
Blade has guns and blades. Kraven theoretically should only need one hit. Cap has neither of these luxuries.

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Parker`s silly "style" of bouncing about is NOTHING to a master martial artist like Cap.

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Are Caps punches and kicks going to hurt Spider-Man?


YES, that's the point you Genius. Caps punches have hurt people more durable than Spider-man.

Your thinking to much about what "should happen", but the facts of Spider-mans pitfalls against master martial artists are all on panel , in colour for you to read whenever you like.

Do so


and stop your fanboy nonsense.


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He holds back in books. He has no reason to here. Are Caps punches and kicks going to hurt Spider-Man? His shield is his only option to do considerable damage and it can easily be stripped by Parker's superior strength. Again I ask, what is Rogers going to do. He may know Parker's moves but that shouldn't mean he can react. Parker is too fast.


CIP.

Yes, they are. Even with the bulletproof armor Parker felt his punches.

Cap's not a slowpoke either.


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Blade has guns and blades. Kraven theoretically should only need one hit. Cap has neither of these luxuries.

what cap has is a razor sharp shield that can slice parker in half or shatter petes skull or fist on first contact that is what captain america has. Captain america has the years of combat experience, MA skills and foresight to have studied parker and his fighting style to make this fight closer then you are willing to believe he also has higher stamina then peter if you want to believe it or not to simply tire the spider out with his hopping and dodging. The fact is that cap's only weakness here is that he will have to anticipate some of the spiders attacks against him which isnt much of a handicap seeing as the majority of fighters have bn doing it for ages since they dont have SSS coursing through their veins when fighting and dodging bullets they simply anticipate their opponents attack before hand.


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Originally posted by Juk3n
What SHOULD happen is not the way we debate. If it was, WWH wouldnt have got that far because there were MANY mutants on Marvel earth who could have mashed him.

What we go by here is Character history, some CIS, consistant showings and the truth is, Spider-man shows consistancy..in getting beat down in h2h fights with Top tier Martial artists. People like Blade or Kraven who rock him like a child.
no expression Spider-man pwns Kraven all the time, Parker makes HIM look like a child. What you really should take into concideration -
1) Spider-man HOLDS BACK whenever he fights guys without super powers.
2) He even hold back when he fight people WITH superpowers
3) He jobbs often to let other less powerful heros look good. That happens all the time in comics, check pretty much any respect thread and you'd find scans of the character beating or stalemating Hulk. So now what? We take it seriously and use it as proofs? No.
4) Spider-man is capable of punching a hole in Cap's head and has the speed to do that.


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Your thinking to much about what "should happen", but the facts of Spider-mans pitfalls against master martial artists are all on panel , in colour for you to read whenever you like.
So Spider-Man is going to stand there? You think Cap will get in more hits than the faster person then vice versa? When I said Spider-Man 10/10 I meant that Spider-Man should win every fight, however Cap can put up a fight for varying degrees. It may last awhile but Spidey will still win.

I'm not a Spider-Man fanboy. no

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Spider-man is capable of punching a hole in Cap's head and has the speed to do that.


Too bad he is not skilled enough to connect and will only get Cap`s fist in his face for his trouble.. again.

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the spider will only get a shattered hand when it connects with cap's shield for trying to decapitate the old war horse with a power punch.


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Too bad he is not skilled enough to connect and will only get Cap`s fist in his face for his trouble.. again.
He doesn't need the skill to connect, just the speed advantage. And he has it. Plus the strength advantage, plus reflexes, plus ss, should I continue? The only thing that Cap has over Spider-man is his jobber aura, oh and skills that mean jack in a fight against opponent who'd punch a hole in his head before he could throw a punch.
But if it makes anyone feel any better Cap can beat a holding back Spider-man who is doubting if he should fight at all.


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Even with the bulletproof armor Parker felt his punches.

Cap's not a slowpoke either.
Well, Stark stated it was designed for small calibre bullets. But I don't think it's designed to protect much against blunt force or explosions(shrapnel).

Agreed. Cap is far from a slowpoke. He is outclassed by Spider-Man however.

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what cap has is a razor sharp shield that can slice parker in half or shatter petes skull or fist on first contact that is what captain america has. Captain america has the years of combat experience, MA skills and foresight to have studied parker and his fighting style to make this fight closer then you are willing to believe he also has higher stamina then peter if you want to believe it or not to simply tire the spider out with his hopping and dodging. The fact is that cap's only weakness here is that he will have to anticipate some of the spiders attacks against him which isnt much of a handicap seeing as the majority of fighters have bn doing it for ages since they dont have SSS coursing through their veins when fighting and dodging bullets they simply anticipate their opponents attack before hand.


1. Spider-Man is going to tire from hopping and dodging? That's his trademark style. I don't recall him bending over on his knees in lack of air alot after doing this.
2. Cap has a number of weaknesses here. He's inferior in strength, speed, agility, and durability.
3. I'm sure Cap knows Parker's style. But that doesn't necessarily mean he should be able to react to the person far faster.

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He doesn't need the skill to connect, just the speed advantage. And he has it.


Actually since he is pretty unskilled Cap will pretty much know what Spidey will do before he knows it himself just by reading his body language.. it is what master martial artists do. Spidey will hit hothing except the shield just like he has done before over and over again. Then an All American haymaker will put Parker on his ass.. as usual.

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Actually since he is pretty unskilled Cap will pretty much know what Spidey will do before he knows it himself just by reading his body language.. it is what master martial artists do. Spidey will hit hothing except the shield just like he has done before over and over again. Then an All American haymaker will put Parker on his ass.. as usual.
He may be able to limitedly predict Spider-Man's moves but it doesn't mean he'll be able to react to them. Daredevil does the same thing and when Parker doesn't hold back.........

It's usual for Parker to hold back against his lifelong role model. The guy who he nearly shits his pants when he's in his mere proximity. That BS is irrelevant here.

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Actually since he is pretty unskilled Cap will pretty much know what Spidey will do before he knows it himself just by reading his body language.. it is what master martial artists do. Spidey will hit hothing except the shield just like he has done before over and over again. Then an All American haymaker will put Parker on his ass.. as usual.
Even if Spider-man's gonna hit the shield, the next thing he's gonna do is use his spider powers to pull it along with Cap's hands. Your logic is weird. I can show you 4 fights where Spider-man is either winning or stalemating Hulk. By your logic since that is a "usual" thing Spider-man can beat non-jobbing Hulk. You can talk about Cap's ma skills all day, that aint gonna help him a bit. The truth is - one punch is all Parker needs to kill Steve if he's bloodlusted. And he has every physical advantage to land that punch. Simple as that.


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Even if Spider-man's gonna hit the shield, the next thing he's gonna do is use his spider powers to pull it along with Cap's hands.


You realize that even NAMOR failed to do that?


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You can talk about Cap's ma skills all day, that aint gonna help him a bit. The truth is - one punch is all Parker needs to kill Steve if he's bloodlusted. And he has every physical advantage to land that punch. Simple as that.


Seems skills > Parkers advantages since he has lost pretty badly to Cap more than once in the past. Skills and willpower is what makes one able to overcome any challenge. Simple as that.

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You realize that even NAMOR failed to do that?
Unlike Namor Spider-man doesn't need to GRAB the shield. Spider powers, remember?


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You realize that even NAMOR failed to do that?
Combat speed-wise Namor isn't as fast as Spider-Man.

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Skills and willpower is what makes one able to overcome any challenge. Simple as that.
If it's so simple why did he get thrashed against the faster and stronger(sound familiar) opponent in Iron Man.

Cap dwarfs Stark in skills but Stark reflexes, speed, and strength were far among Cap. Don't say Stark is a 100 tonner and Spider-Man fluctuates from 15-25 tons because I seriously doubt Stark would ever hit his friend that hard.

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Unlike Namor Spider-man doesn't need to GRAB the shield. Spider powers, remember?


He'd just remove the paint.


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Seems skills > Parkers advantages since he has lost pretty badly to Cap more than once in the past. Skills and willpower is what makes one able to overcome any challenge. Simple as that.
Yeah, maybe in a romantic novel...
In a fight Parker's gonna shove Steve's will power im not gonna tell where. Stop bringing their past fights. I already said that SM HOLDS BACK even when he fights Green Goblin who is his mortal enemy, let alone when he fights a legend, a man he admires. He questions himself a billion times before throwing a punch. Not gonna happen if he's bloodlusted and that is the scenario im talking about.


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