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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
not sure the circumstances of those.. i have the cap thunderstrike sparring session not remotely impressive only good think is that its just a name to be used in a forum.. cap used a judo/akido counter on strike while teaching him basic fighting techniques... the antman/giantman i think he used pressure point or tendon strike nice but none of those moves would be remotely effective against chang chi batman without the serum.. its a slap in the face to real MA'ers to put cap and his enhancements

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
in the same league as them same goes for ppl like deathstroke... yes cap possess vast MA knowledge but it is mostly rudimentary knowledge he doesnt know katas secret techniques, chi amplification mental zen exercises... ect ect.. hell at least taskmaster is aware he cant replicate chi amp attacks

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
again that just proofs he knows basic exercises nice scan of the chi knowledge not....

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow

okay he beat them no serum same context he lost severely to moondragon without her breaking a sweat and luaghing trash talking him the whole time

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer


Wild Shadow has a point about Steve..

Before getting SSS, Cap was just a thin weakling.

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Originally posted by jalek moye
he learnt martial arts after getting it though

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
All the fighters listed are innately good at MA.

They were born to be amongst the best MAs.
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Originally posted by occultdestroyer


Cap was never really one of them. Without the SSS, he would probably still be the same guy we first saw him.

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
All the fighters listed are innately good at MA.

They were born to be amongst the best MAs.
They've trained all their lives to become the best street-levelers.

Cap was never really one of them. Without the SSS, he would probably still be the same guy we first saw him.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Got anything to prove they're innately good?

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* hes been stripped of his SSS and still shown to be a martial art expert. Furthermore none os those guys would have been martial artists if they had the same condition.

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
without the serum cap would lose to ppl like daredevil, BE, punisher, clint and many others.....more often then not of course.

even after learning MA from military and outside contractors he only was able to learn due to the serum itself granting him better control of his body which is why he was able to learn and master moves in far shorter time then a normal person...

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer


Look at the list.

None of them were enhanced through artificial means.


Like what jalek moye said, he learned martial arts after getting it SSS.

So it's logical that the prolonged use of SSS through the years has helped him acquire the MA skills and endurance he needs. Even if the SSS was removed, you can't remove what Steve has learned, and his body conditioning.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hes proven hes still very good without. The SSS doesnt make that much of a difference except with stamina.

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
im not making nothing up here it is a known comic fact... so how about you learn to be more articulate rather then telling me to shut the hell up... i really dont feel like pulling scans for something that is a basic comic fact. yes, he beat crossbones back in the day crossbones was something... can cap beat shang or IF without the serum no he cant he would be lucky if ppl like kitty didnt murder him in pure h2h.. you wanna say he took down a meta thats fine but he didnt face him in MA nor is the meta a known MA fighter.. you can have the power of a god but u can still get taken down if u dont know how to fight in h2h..

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Did he revert back to his thin, weakly form?

And who did he fought?

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
im not making nothing up here it is a known comic fact... so how about you learn to be more articulate rather then telling me to shut the hell up... i really dont feel like pulling scans for something that is a basic comic fact. yes, he beat crossbones back in the day crossbones was something... can cap beat shang or IF without the serum no he cant he would be lucky if ppl like kitty didnt murder him in pure h2h.. you wanna say he took down a meta thats fine but he didnt face him in MA nor is the meta a known MA fighter.. you can have the power of a god but u can still get taken down if u dont know how to fight in h2h..

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone

No he didnt, look at my previous posts.

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Just like I said, his skills and conditioning was mainly due to SSS.

I don't consider anyone to be the "best" MA street-leveler through artificial means.

Steve is out of the list, Elektra replaces him.