equally no...thor hit sentry with "all hit might" or whatever, and sentry took it like nothing...thor hit him again to crack his shell and the void started to come out. Then you see sentry/void with thor by the throat and thor helpless to do anything, but osborn tell sentry to take out asgard so he leave thor and destroys it to reveal i guess his true form afterwards
Would you be surprised if I thought Thor was about 10 seconds away from being ripped in half like Ares before Osborn called him away?
If Sentry were being used as a Hulk-centric villain, I would not be surprised at all if the strongest incarnation of Hulk we've seen, ended a fight with some outlandish deus ex-machina strength feat. But that's equally tempered by the fact that somewhat Voided-out Sentry basically tore Molecule Man a new a$$hole. And everybody agrees that the more Voided-out Sentry is, the more powerful he is... right?
WWH may have arguably beat Sentry. But I don't think WBH represented an increase in Hulk's power as much as Voided-out post-Molecule Man represented an increase in Sentry's power.
^ I personally don't think it's a question anymore that he is genuinely that powerful. Sure, Sentry jobbed frequently (under Bendis as much as anybody), but there wasn't ever a question of Void's power (who I don't recall ever jobbing). Their status as respective distinct entities has now been erased as has any real question of Sentry's power.
I think what Void did to MM was in large part due to MM not being ready for the attack, not taking Sentry seriously and not being entirely with it (ie, self-limiting and nuts).
WWH was more powerful than Sentry purely because WWH was the one holding back and keeping a lid on things whilst Sentry, having gone nuts was seeking total release and revelling in being able to unleash upon Hulk. Words and deeds and depiction in unison there, during that fight, leave no room for any other interpretation than that he went all out and fully unloaded on Hulk, with NO LASTING EFFECT on Hulk.
WBH, in that brief fleeting moment of existence, was fully capable of _unintentionally_ destroying the planet _without_ exerting himself. just pure energy bleed... that kind of force seems off the scales, cosmic. Void/Sentry ripping Ares in half is perhaps on a similar level, I could see WBH doing that with similar economy.
How wasn't he ready for the attack? he sat there and threatened him and he did nothing about it. MM tried to kill him and was unsuccessful.
Sentry wanted to lose and has no limits to his power which have been rammed through the readers minds in siege. Sentry is much more powerful and can even match WW Hulk when he isn't the Void.
1) Sentry's arguably the less powerful and more limited of the two, if you want to go with the hyperbole. Hulk is stated to have unlimited/infinite energies, Sentry has a million exploding suns... I think that favours Hulk, no?
2) as to what's depicted, Hulk has shown no limits yet to his strength and/or endurance, Sentry has gone all out and come up short against WWH.
MM dispersed his molecules and then monologued for a while. if there's one thing you learn from reading Surfer comics its that excessive monologueing leads to defeat... and so, Sentry re-emerged, dispersing MM's molecules (we don't know if MM can die or is 'dead' even). also MM was pre-occupied with how "differently" the Sentry's molecules tasted, to even guard against an attack from Sentry.
as for Sentry "wanting to lose", that's your interpretation but Sentry says otherwise, he says he wants to unleash, he wants to hit Hulk with EVERYTHING, because Hulk is the ONLY ONE who can take it. Sentry says so, he shows so, he goes nuts during the fight... Hulk at no point gets pissed off, enraged or otherwise amped... he instead reasons with Sentry and attempts to connect with him and empathise. Sentry unloading vs WWH holding back.
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1)Sentry has been stated as having no limits to his power whatsoever. It has been stated in siege and prior to before on panel. That's the writer's clear message concerning the sentry.
2)Hulk's best showings don't compare to the Sentry's best. In Hulk's own story he burned out against the Sentry who realized he lost control and thanked Bob for putting him down. If the void minset took over the Hulk would get destroyed. Sentry also fought the Hulk's fight by exchanging blows.
Sentry overpowered him and won while he wasn't beaten as he reformed and realized his new abilities and beat him at his own game. Hulk can be beaten by a Dr. Strange finger so please let's not even compare the two any further.
Those were the characters opinions at the time but we know Sentry has no limits and that power levels vary from writer to writer. Bendis Sentry>>Pak Sentry who was an equal to Hulk.
disagree with both points, but that was to be expected.
1) a. Osborn's files are the only things saying he has "no limits". b. it's never been tested (unlike Hulk, who was tested by, among other scientists, The Leader). c. qualitatively it is weaker and we can always point out that Beyonder said Hulk was as infinite as himself.
if you want to go down the hyperbole route, you either accept the same standard of 'proof' for both or you concede that you want to present a slanted argument.
2) Hulk's best showings are an order better than Sentry's best. from rocking infinite dimensions with a punch to producing a thunderclap of sufficient power to deflect a dimension destroying blast. from holding a planet together to almost ripping it apart with a mere step. aside from that, there's the fact that he alone was capable of besting Onslaught, that he literally punched through the timestorm... that he busted weapons designed to fight off Celestials and that a fraction of his energies are all it took to create Rulk, who has gone on to demonstrate just what can be achieved with a little less reservation and angst.
as to the rest, aside from it being your opinion, I don't see any supporting argument or any evidence with which you might construct one.
1)It's been stated on panel over and over again which means it is the writer's intentions. Hulk has shown limits because he is limited by his own anger.
2)Which showings of the Hulk's trump
a)running Terrax off with minimal effort
b)destroying asgard while fighting Thor
c)ripping ares in half
d)defeating the MM
The feats you listed weren't up to par. The maddest we have seen Hulk is at world destroying levels while the Sentry is at that level normally if he wanted to.
Hulk's power is unlimited but his anger levels are not. Sentry's powers are unlimited.
show me where it was shown that Hulk's strength has limits derived from "limits to his anger"? as far as I am aware, he does not need to be angry to get stronger, it happens as a result of a variety of factors, but anger does help (classic case, when he braced the mountain and Reed tried to make him angry so that he got more amped).
as for your simply saying that they are not "up to par", again your opinion but maybe you'd like to give some structure? what criteria? power output? endurance? scale? scope? anything?
stopping Terrax is nothing much, ripping Ares in half is hardly comparable to holding a planet together. destroying asgard - something any herald could do and something that becomes easier when you have matter manipulation/energy projection powers... again, some structure to your argument?
It's common sense as him getting angrier means he gets more powerful. We have only seen him so angry and everyone's anger has limits.
We've already seen the Sentry push WW Hulk to his limits once and that's under pak who really likes the Hulk while bendis and jenkins has the Sentry much more powerful yet one of hulk's biggest supporting writers sees them as equals more or less. At Sentry's best it's a cakewalk.
The Sentry has let loose enough energy to destroy planets and his power has no limits. Terrax can level planets yet he was treated like a mere stain to the Sentry while holding back.
Hulk can't even destroy Thor let alone asgard so I fail to see your point. Void has also brought reed and strange to their knees while hulk can be beaten by the twitch of strange's finger.
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