Yeah, that's not true. The Elder Gods where created as a by product of the Demiurge's energy, but the pantheons are merely beings from a different dimension that showed up on Earth one day and did the horizontal shuffle with Gaea. Even their immortality is derived from external sources (golden apples / ambrosia) and not innate.
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Being a God means next to nothing in mainstream DC and Marvel. Marvel in particular seems to think that being a God entails having Class 30-80 strength and biological immortality.
I loved the characterization of the Gods in Neil Gaiman's Sandman, because they (particularly Odin) actually seemed Godly, even if Morpheus made them seem small.
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Has Wonder Woman gotten her lasso or a stat upgrade yet? Because nothing I saw in the first few issue of the new arc makes an argument for Ares not kicking her teeth in.
Back in the day Asgardian's were uber. They were extremely long lived -even a young Asgardian such as Thor was older than man- any Asgardian with a name had special powers such Heimdall, Sif, Balder etc. making them formidable. Then they introduced that Demiurge crap, retconned the Asgardians into only being reflections of the people of Earth instead of their creators, introduced the Ragnarok cycle incarnation, powered down Odin from being a Universal level force etc. during the Thomas era after Lee and Kirby left.
Thankfully a fair bit of that shit is ignored. Probably because once Simonson took over, he did away with most of that crap etc. Siege didn't help raising the stock of the Gods any, but hopefully Chaos War will. Course since Pak has a hard on for Hercules currently, it's probably the Greek pantheon who'll benefit the most.
The only Gods who rely on some form of sustenance for their immortality are the Asgardians as far as I know. They need the Golden Apples after an unspecified period of time.
Edit: Apparently the Olympians need some form of potion etc. after a very short period of time. Pak recently introduced that.
Heh. Hulk and Superman have more claim to immortality.
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I think Buri or Bor was directly credited with creation of the Universe once... but like you said, they got hit with the retcon stick.
We don't know a whole lot of about any of the Pantheons that aren't Norse or Greek, but I could have sworn that I recently read the Olympians need to consume Ambrosia to maintain their immortality as well. I wouldn't be surprised of the other undevelped Pantheons need something as well.
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Wonder Woman jumped from a plane in flight and landed on the ground unharmed, she held onto the tail end of a plane while it took off and stayed on during flight, she has her lasso back, and she can fly again.
Yea, pretty sure Buri was. Bor might have been too later on but I'm not sure.
Marvel's continuity is a mess currently. Almost as bad as DC. I have no idea where the Asgardian's stand anymore. Odin has been credited with creating both the Midgardian dimension and man recently. The man part was a straight up memory of Odin's.
Yea, that's the potion was I thinking about. The Ambrosia thing introduced by Pak. It'll probably get ignored though. The Golden Apples are just too deeply routed in Asgardian lore to be ignored however.
Fun fact: Odin was shown accidently creating the creature that all vampires etc. descend from a year or two ago.
Nothing you've mentioned there has impressed me. The lasso is her only hope in this fight. Otherwise Ares kicks her ass.
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Yep, that was the case for a long time. Asgardians needed Golden Apples every now and then. With Thor either being the exception or the one not needing the Golden Apples for a much longer period of time than the average Asgardian.
Fun fact: Odin is long past his prime. I would have liked to see the All father at his peak. That brings me to another point: I hate the fact that Pak has the other Skyfathers called All father as well. It wasn't enough to turn Hercules into his version of King Thor apparently.
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