Like what, when has Hulk/WWH ever beaten a Thanos lvl guy.
No Miek didnt die the warbound stopped Hulk after he had hit him 6 times, 3 whilst he was already prone on the ground, the intention was there but not the power to do it. A far weaker than current Thanos put Thor down in 2 shots and Thor had Things help at the time.
So youre gonna ignore the fact the both went up against the same guy (Marvell) with Surfer looking inferior with Nova help i may add, and Thanos looked far superior. You are either stupid or bias, which is it?
The fight where hulk fought genis and was basically stomping him is enough to make me believe that he could hang with thanos and this was a weaker version of the hulk. Then we have hulk on numerous of occasions going against the avengers along with going against every hero in new york and stomping them.
Like I said before, thor on a good day can hang with thanos.
I'm not saying that surfer could beat thanos, do you not understand this? What I am saying is that surfer will not fall as easily as he did in the past against thanos. Hell, his fight against tenebrous should prove this. He withstood hits that was shedding moons. Then we have the one scene where thanos fleed due to surfer output of power (which was creating black holes).
Genis isnt Thanos lvl at all. A weaker pre res Thanos slapped around a Avengers team for fun. Every hero in New York, do you mean WWH arc? Because if so the warbound helped him a against mighty/new Avengers and they are only high meta-low end heralds at best.
And Thanos on a average day beats Thor without much fuss.
But you have zero proof to say otherwise, as the only showings of Current Surfer/Thanos show Thanos to be beyond Surfer in power,durability by some distance. More lies, no moons were shredded at all, the punches only made a small crater, plus Surfer was on his last legs from the punches. Which comic are you talking about ? Thanos has taken full on blasts from Surfer at least 3 times without effect, so his power output aint a threat.
I never said that genis was equal to thanos but what I did say is that hulk running through genis the way he did makes me believe that he could up the notch on thanos as well. I'm not referring to the wwh arc when hulk was taking on new yorks heros... ill try to find he issue number for you.
I agree with you, thanos could beat thor but again,not as easily as you are talking about.
Thanos fleed against surfers power in "annihilation". Surfer was shooting energy blast so powerful that it was creating enormous size black holes and thanos admitted that he had to flee.
For some strange you keep bringing up classic surfer showings against thanos... that's not my argument. My argument is that CURRENT surfer would have a better showing against thanos.
You are using someone inferior to Thanos as your example, but it fails in comparison. You need to use someone greater than Thanos, like for instance how Thanos took on PG Thor who is above any Hulk.
On panel showings say ptherwise.
Dont remember any of that, issue numbers?
Get this into your thick head classic and current are the same, he is a the same power lvl as before.
There seems to be a disparity here. First I see the demand for on panel proof of:
"Like what, when has Hulk/WWH ever beaten a Thanos lvl guy."
And after some back and forth, it leads to:
[QUOTE=13100785]Originally posted by Nihilist
[B]You are using someone inferior to Thanos as your example, but it fails in comparison. You need to use someone greater than Thanos, like for instance how Thanos took on PG Thor who is above any Hulk."
So you're in essence asking for proof Hulk has BEATEN a character of ______ level, and you're using as an example to back your argument Thanos "beating" PG Thor - Whilst concluding PG Thor is above Hulk.
The logical fallacy here is that you're giving yourself some massive leeway, as Thanos most certainly did NOT defeat PG Thor, nowhere near it.
Thanos was forced to resort to using a gun that created a forcefield that immobilized Thor, and he stated himself that they must hurry so that Thor does not break free.
Sound like a defeat to you? Nope. Otherwise, we could hypothetically hand that gun to Captain America, have him fire it at Thanos and then claim that Captain America defeats Thanos.
Thanos was as Pip put it "absorbing a lot of punishment" and showed no signs of coming anywhere near taking out Thor. So using this as an example of "character A beating B, and B beats C, so 1 must also beat C" is a fallacy, as it ignores the very important fact that Thanos quite simply did not win a physical battle in any way shape or form in that confrontation.
Thanos was unable in the time alloted anyway, to overcome Thor, and was forced to resort to using a weapon that is outside the scope of the battle described in this thread.
That being said, yes Thanos is a beast. But at the same time Thanos more often than not resorts to trickery and powers outside his own to win battles. (He does use physical prowess from time to time, but it's rare)
In a purely physical confrontation, the combination of Supes and WWH would be one heck of a challenge. Without the luxury of falling back on his little toys, or cheating with an outside power source I am of the opinion that he'd be down for the count.
Quite simply not true. Drax punched right through his chest and ripped his heart out. Seemed quite bloody to me.
Though it's not canon in the 616 universe of course, but even Wolverine completely severed Thanos' arm in a "What If". As my disclaimer states, I realize that it's a "What If" thus not 616, but it helps to establish the fact that Thanos can and has most certainly been harmed by equal, or lesser beings than Hulk.
Heck, the latest incarnation of Drax is considered inferior to the former Drax that Hulk tangled with.
Interesting that universal level entities who created Drax as a tool to slay Thanos created a being that is physically similar to the Hulk in strength (But lacking Hulks ability to increase his strength - As stated on panel!)
In other words, in the mind of a universal powered entity, a being with LESS physical strength is capable of defeating Thanos. (And did - Ripped his heart out) I would take this as a good sign that Hulk has what it takes to be a physical threat to Thanos' well being in a brawl.
Despite your claims to the otherwise, it seems on panel evidence would support my claim. Add in a near equal to Hulks strength, and a superior in terms of speed and other capabilities Superman just seals the deal.
"Only Thor w/pgem has ever drawn blood from Thanos"
Please point me to ANY instance where Thanos was KO'd via blunt force. Any instance please? Yet, I'm suppose to believe that Thanos goes down here when it has yet to occur in his entire history?
He has never fought anyone like wwh in a fist fight for a long period of time and please don't say pg thor because he would have gotten dropped if that fight continued.
He took shots from Magus with the IG and it didn't KO him. Do you forget him going blow for blow in a LONG fight with his doppleganger (which was suppose to be more powerful than him) As far as the PG Thor situation that is totally acceptable. He took multiple shots from a non holding back Thor WITH the PG and was never even close to be KO'd.. not even close.
That's why I said a long period of time. How strong was that version of thor PHYSICALLY that thanos fought? What about magus? We do know one thing though, thanos would have to survive blows that is FAR over the 100 trillion ton mark from hulk and the thing about this is his strength would be increasing in seconds... past this mark. Thanos is a beast physically but he isn't strong enough to prevent from being knocked out by suck force..
Did you simply fail to read the above post where I mentioned Drax punched his FIST through Thanos' chest? Do you somehow chalk that up to something other than blunt force?
FAR more than a "ko" there, and this is coming from an incarnation of Drax that is WEAKER than previous incarnations! (AKA - Weaker than WWH)
This is the problem I have with Thor. People say Thanos didn't beat him by using a weapon on him and it was unfair and yet, Thor the big wuss brings a big weapon to fist fights all the time because basically without the Hammer he is a wimp.
So please explain how that qualifies as "beating" someone... lol
So I guess Hulk has beaten Galactus then. Galactus shot Hulk over, and over again to the point where the narrator says that Hulk drove him to a level no other being has in eons: "Enraged..."
Not verbatim, but I know it's very close. So going by the logic above, Hulk = Galactus... Especially since Thanos required a forcefield to stand up to Galactus' blast, and Hulk tanked shot after shot, after shot. lol So Hulk beats Thanos because he stood up to Galactus, who is far superior to Thanos.
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Nov 28th, 2010 08:43 PM
Genis isnt Thanos lvl at all. A weaker pre res Thanos slapped around a Avengers team for fun. Every hero in New York, do you mean WWH arc? Because if so the warbound helped him a against mighty/new Avengers and they are only high meta-low end heralds at best.
