Though even with bloodlusted, Naruto can use his Sage Clones, which are quite dangerous, and try and make it so Kakashi won't know which is real. Using Kamui on the wrong one could grant Naruto the win.
Even saying that, Kakashi's got a lot more flexibility and experience.
Even with sage mode, I don't see Naruto winning. Kakashi's got the experience and the skills to take him down, plus he knows Naruto inside out anyway.
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Sage mode isnt really an option... he cant fuse with the toads, so its out. sitting there is instant death, so what else can he do? and im with blax on that one, even if he was in sage mode hes still pretty predictable, and kakashi knows him all too well. albeit if naruto does hit him hes done for, but i dont think what would happen even with his speed.
kakashi was shown to use kamui for times, twice at deidara (to rip his arm off and blow away his bomb), at pains missle, and susano'os arrow
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He still has the Kyuubi, albeit, it is sealed up much better right now, and Naruto can access its chakra. So nah. It's also not confirmed whether or not the elders can fuse with him.
True, but he'd instead resort to other methods to take out the clones, who would all be much weaker than the real Naruto, due to the Kage Bunshin's even chakra splitting.
No, not even the Byakugan can tell apart a Kage Bunshin from the real one. However, at Valley of the End (VotE), Sasuke mentioned something about the Sharingan being able to tell which is the real one. Seeing as the Sharingan cannot tell apart the difference, I presume he simply kept track of the real Naruto when he used the jutsu, or his Sharingan got accustomed to Naruto's style.
Meh, personally I think that current Naruto has far better odds in most situations, unless CIS is off, and bloodlust is on. If Naruto is in Sage Mode, his odds improve dramatically due to his speed. But if Deva can handle his speed, I think Kakashi who has the Sharingan, should be able to do so as well. RasenShuriken would end Kakashi though, unless he kamui's it before it expands.
I still don't know the stips of this battle. So far, I assume CIS is off, so Naruto should have a higher win percentile than Kakashi.
Kakashi wouldn't take that chance though, even if he was bloodlusted. He isn't that reckless. Against someone who can outlast him by a huge amount, he wouldn't risk wasting Kamui.
As for the Sage clones, it depends on what the specifics of the battle are. Against Pain, Naruto could only make a couple of clones in Sage Mode, since he had clones gathering chakra in Myobokuzan. Against the Kyuubi, he had many clones, but it didn't matter, since Naruto was sitting still the entire time, so he could enter Sage Mode whenever he wanted.
If Naruto starts off with clones gathering Natural Energy, he won't be able to mass spam KB, not unless he does not want to enter Sage Mode again. On the other hand, if he doesn't start off in Sage Mode at all, he won't be entering it, not unless Kakashi makes the mistake of immobilizing him, instead of taking his head off.
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If Naruto has time to pre-charge Sage mode, I think there'll be trouble and Naruto has the edge, but without that the edge is likely on 'kashi.
On the surface his move list doesn't change a lot, but the power lets him use them in more ways. Rasenshuriken can be thrown, can explode or expand, etc.. He can do bigger rasengans for more area of effect, his taijutsu is a huge threat, he can throw clones, he uses rasengans to make smoke clouds (which his sensor abilities let him operate in better than others), and he can do more summoning.
He's got a finite number of threats, but the increased power of them means the margin of error for dealing with them shrinks to a razor-thin line, and he is good at coming up with creative ways to use them.
So 'predictable' isn't how I'd describe him. Especially when Kakashi hasn't personally seen him fight in sage mode before.
Damn, made a typo in my post. Meant to say 'on' instead of 'off'.
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ok, bottom line (for me) This would be an epic fight, and I do not know who would win. There are just too many factors, though if i had to pick i would say kakashi, just because of his superior experience, and knowledge of naruto
He uses his 'own' chakra for Kage Bunshins, not the Kyuubi's chakra. The only time he starts using the Kyuubi's chakra is when he becomes frustrated. Of course, some of the Kyuubi's chakra naturally mixes with his own, but it's implied that that is Naruto's natural chakra pool.
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If it no longer exists, Naruto no longer has a very high chakra level, therefore he cannot use Sage Mode as his chakra level would be much lower...ergo **** you back.
Not really. If Deva could block his attacks, it implies he can keep up with him. Kakashi with the Sharingan active would have better reaction times, thanks to the Sharingan. Plus if Naruto uses Taijutsu/Frog Fu, his attacks will be predicted by the Sharingan.
EDIT: Never mind, even if Kakashi dodges, there's a chance he will get hit due to what happened to that Path when it dodged Naruto's fist.
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I don't even remember how Naruto's fight with Pein went down. Was he moving faster than Pein could react? If not then I doubt he can speed blitz Kakashi... Kakashi arguably has the best "dodging" feats in the entire manga, and wasn't Pein's inferior in that regard.
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He can have clones charging up while he faces Kakashi directly, to give him a late-game boost.
If Kakashi doesn't figure it out. But there's room for layers of trickery there too (*These* charging clones are meant to be noticed and draw attack, so Naruto can strike when he goes for them, while *those* clones are meant to charge for real).
Or Naruto can just say **** Sage Mode all together, summon Ma and Pa, and let them take care of it.
And while they're fighting Kakashi, charge up Sage Mode while in....the audience stands....Grr. This is why I hate the fight. It's not structured for there to be a chance of Naruto winning. Kakashi is holding all the cards at the moment.
i doubt he would still be alive by the time he summoned the elders and told them he needed to fuse with them to enter sage mode.
and on top of that, he still needs time to enter it, which is like an instant kill from kakashi. kakuzu couldnt even react to kakashi putting a raikiri through his chest.
barely. and that was only a few of the pains. i go with you on that one, people seem to underestimate kakashis speed on this.
i made the fight because me and my friend were arguing about this... i told him the same thing your saying, but he didnt get it.
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