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zopzop
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LoM here's the Phoenix Force Optic Blast scans :
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@Mindset

Thanos doesn't have the feats to place him in the Skyfather Tier. Dude these guys BUST GALAXIES like they were going out of style.


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LoM here's the Phoenix Force Optic Blast scans :
http://forums.comicbookresources.co...mp;postcount=11

@Mindset

Thanos doesn't have the feats to place him in the Skyfather Tier. Dude these guys BUST GALAXIES like they were going out of style.
The strongest do, I'll ask you the same question.

Are skyfathers unique in the fact that they have no range of power in that class, unlike heralds, etc?

No trans level being is contending with Odin or Tyrant.


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What feats does Ymir have to be considered Skyfather then?


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Thanos had a great showing against Odin.

He was literally spotless from all of Odin's blasts before Gungnir was brought out. And after getting up from running into a point blank blast from Odin, Thanos was able to hurt Odin somewhat with a blast of his own. And then they were exchanging blasts and countering each other to no advantage until Odin decided he needed Gungnir.

Seriously screw all all you overzealous skewed perspective having Odin backers. Odin did not show himself to be anything more than a certain percentage above Thanos in that fight. Certainly no big multiplier stronger. If Odin is high skyfather, Thanos was mid(ish) skyfather in that fight. But he's gotten stronger since then clearly.


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What feats does Ymir have to be considered Skyfather then?


Is he even Skyfather level? I know Surtur for sure is. I haven't kept up with Thor issues to give you an opinion on Ymir.


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Thanos had a great showing against Odin.

He was literally spotless from all of Odin's blasts before Gungnir was brought out. And after getting up from running into a point blank blast from Odin, Thanos was able to hurt Odin somewhat with a blast of his own. And then they were exchanging blasts and countering each other to no advantage until Odin decided he needed Gungnir.

Seriously screw all all you overzealous skewed perspective having Odin backers. Odin did not show himself to be anything more than a certain percentage above Thanos in that fight. Certainly no big multiplier stronger. If Odin is high skyfather, Thanos was mid(ish) skyfather in that fight. But he's gotten stronger since then clearly.
Pretty much.

At the least low skyfather.


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Is he even Skyfather level? I know Surtur for sure is. I haven't kept up with Thor issues to give you an opinion on Ymir.
Ymir is supposed to be Skyfather like Surtur is.


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CosmicComet, Mindset

How? How can you place him in the galaxy busting Skyfather Tier? Has he even destroyed a planet under his own power before? What are his best on panel feats that can compare to the annihilation of a galaxy?


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@Mindset

You are correct; comparing Thanos feats to Odin/Surter/Seth feats is raising the bar too high...

Nevertheless, showings of durability alone dont prove Thanos is a Skyfather; although Classic Juggs is powered by a Elder God, Classic Juggs himself isnt a Skyfather...

Thanos has great damage soak...thats a fact. Now where are the extreme displays of power than couldnt/havent been accomplished by anyone else in the Trans Tier? What feats of power does Thanos have under his belt to suggest he is a Skyfather?


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CosmicComet, Mindset

How? How can you place him in the galaxy busting Skyfather Tier? Has he even destroyed a planet under his own power before? What are his best on panel feats that can compare to the annihilation of a galaxy?
Contending with people who can destroy galaxies.


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@Mindset

Do you really believe Odin was going all out in that fight? And by all out I mean like when he fights beings like Surtur, Forsung, etc..?

You know growing to 2000ft in size, drawing power from the land of Asgard, etc...?


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@Mindset

Do you really believe Odin was going all out in that fight? And by all out I mean like when he fights beings like Surtur, Forsung, etc..?

You know growing to 2000ft in size, drawing power from the land of Asgard, etc...?
No, because Odin wasn't fighting a skyfather on his level, but a skyfather on a lower level.

Just like SS wouldn't go "all out" against Terrax, who is also a herald, but would against Thor, a herald on his level.


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@Cosmic Comet

You remember the fight wrong as it didnt go down AT ALL as you state; go back and reread Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25...I promise you your memory of that fight is failing you.


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So Odin going all out is having to use external forces and items and not using his own natural power reserve


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So Odin going all out is having to use external forces and items and not using his own natural power reserve


The Odinforce is located in three different area's; a portion is located directly inslde of Odin, a portion is infused within Asgard itself, and a portion is inside all of the Asgardians...

Whenever Odin "amps" off of the land or its people, he is simply taking back the portion of the Odinforce given to it/them...so he actually isnt amping off of an external power source when he does this; he is simply taking back what is already his.

Now when he using his gear, thats external...definitely.


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So you are saying under his own natural power reserves he was going full at it against Thanos, that's all I needed to know.


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So you are saying under his own natural power reserves he was going full at it against Thanos, that's all I needed to know.


Using what was inside his body? Which is only a portion of the full Odinforce? Sure...definitely.

Thats all Odin was accessing; he definitely could have accessed far more and annihilated Thanos if he wanted to kill him...

Although I'd argue that Odin wasnt even fully accessing what was inside of him as he didnt assume Giant Size (not to be confused with him going into 2000ft Destroyer Mode) as he typically does against Surter...


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@LOM Surtur is equal to Odin without the Twilight and Surtur is a lot bigger so it makes sense he would increase his size. After all you did say Odin usimg his gear is a sign of calling on outside help which did when using the Gungnir.


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Bah....

How does EVERYTHING end up being about that purple, butt faced, B*****D!??

Screw Thanos for a moment; how do the rest of the tiers pan out in you guys honest opinion?


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Also you don't have to have OMGZ galaxy busting feats to be in the wide range Skyfather tier as DP Tyrant has non and is considered mid/high skyfather


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