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Originally posted by Nephthys
It took bloody ages to break Gandalf's staff. erm

Dumbledore puts the fear of fyre in him before he pulls that attack off. Then he transfigures himinto a rabbit or something.


And that staff is 100x the order of a finger-thin wand. WC probably just has to burp to break it.


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Can he do it with a wand that's just exploded in his hands and the turd he just dropped in his knickers?

Yes and no. Let's not forget that Gandalf took down a Balrog and was able to block/counter three simultaneous attacks from three exceptionally bad-ass motherjammers. Aragon, Legolas and Gimli, when they mistook him for Saurumom. Not sure if Daumbledore could have replicated these feats. But overall I'd tend to agree with you.
Dumbledore wields the Elder Wand, which is no mere wand, and by feats, that dinky little wand makes Gandalf's staff look like a wifflebat.

The Balrog was impressive, sure, but Gandalf died taking it down, although he did do it in a weaker incarnation. Dumbledore would take down the Balrog, and would lolwtfrape Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. Well I mean unless Legolas does something like ride a shield across Dumbledore's stream of fired magic before decapitating Dumbledore with an arrow that hit him in the foot, but that is not the point. Magic in LotR is inherently "Low," a nerdy fantasy term which basically means much more subtle, and less practically powerful. Although it is shown that through long invocations Saruman could create a mountain-spanning blizzard, but that is impractical in a battle.

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What has Dumbledore done to prove he's so powerful ? Lotr would annihilate hp in an all out war. It wouldn't even be close.
And of course that has absolutely nothing to do with the incredibly massive armies LotR has at their disposal, right?


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Dumbledore wields the Elder Wand, which is no mere wand, and by feats, that dinky little wand makes Gandalf's staff look like a wifflebat.

The Balrog was impressive, sure, but Gandalf died taking it down, although he did do it in a weaker incarnation. Dumbledore would take down the Balrog, and would lolwtfrape Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. Well I mean unless Legolas does something like ride a shield across Dumbledore's stream of fired magic before decapitating Dumbledore with an arrow that hit him in the foot, but that is not the point. Magic in LotR is inherently "Low," a nerdy fantasy term which basically means much more subtle, and less practically powerful. Although it is shown that through long invocations Saruman could create a mountain-spanning blizzard, but that is impractical in a battle.


And it's still a magical piece of wood, just slimmer.

Balrog? Probably. Legolas would rape him via arrow to the eye before Bumbledore did one little flick of his wrist.


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Dumbledore wields the Elder Wand, which is no mere wand, and by feats, that dinky little wand makes Gandalf's staff look like a wifflebat.

The Balrog was impressive, sure, but Gandalf died taking it down, although he did do it in a weaker incarnation. Dumbledore would take down the Balrog, and would lolwtfrape Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. Well I mean unless Legolas does something like ride a shield across Dumbledore's stream of fired magic before decapitating Dumbledore with an arrow that hit him in the foot, but that is not the point. Magic in LotR is inherently "Low," a nerdy fantasy term which basically means much more subtle, and less practically powerful. Although it is shown that through long invocations Saruman could create a mountain-spanning blizzard, but that is impractical in a battle.

And of course that has absolutely nothing to do with the incredibly massive armies LotR has at their disposal, right?
The characters that lead these armies are by far more powerful than the masses they control as well. It all goes hand in hand.


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Yes I agree that Dumbledore's sphincter is likely to feel the cold pointy wrath of the Witch Kings blade.
Not that he'll complain.


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Originally posted by Robtard
And it's still a magical piece of wood, just slimmer.

Balrog? Probably. Legolas would rape him via arrow to the eye before Bumbledore did one little flick of his wrist.
Yes I suppose the same way that a 9mm and a Davy Crocket are both projectile-firing hunks of metal, yet the difference is gigantic between them.

This is one time Protego would actually work. Dumbledore's reactions are sufficient enough to place a Protego before the arrow could pierce him.

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The characters that lead these armies are by far more powerful than the masses they control as well. It all goes hand in hand.
No they aren't. Lolwtf. It took a midget and a single woman to kill the Witch King. It did not take a midget and a single woman to fight back the armies of Mordor. No one being in the films is capable of fighting an entire army alone.


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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Not that he'll complain.

...just what are you saying here, foul Canadian?


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Dumbledore is gay.


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Yes I suppose the same way that a 9mm and a Davy Crocket are both projectile-firing hunks of metal, yet the difference is gigantic between them.

This is one time Protego would actually work. Dumbledore's reactions are sufficient enough to place a Protego before the arrow could pierce him.

No they aren't. Lolwtf. It took a midget and a single woman to kill the Witch King. It did not take a midget and a single woman to fight back the armies of Mordor. No one being in the films is capable of fighting an entire army alone.
They were more powerful than any being they lorded over not the entire army. You misunderstood.


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Yes I suppose the same way that a 9mm and a Davy Crocket are both projectile-firing hunks of metal, yet the difference is gigantic between them.

This is one time Protego would actually work. Dumbledore's reactions are sufficient enough to place a Protego before the arrow could pierce him.


While the power output and accuracy will vary between those guns, they'll both melt in a smithy's furnace. See.

Hmmm...


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While their power output will vary between those guns, they'll both melt in a smithy's furnace. See.

Hmmm...
That's ignoring the reason behind why the Witch King could do that in the movie. Because the Witch King's magical power was greater than Gandalf's, it is not greater than Dumbledore's.

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They were more powerful than any being they lorded over not the entire army. You misunderstood.
Apparently so. Not that it matters.


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That's ignoring the reason behind why the Witch King could do that in the movie. Because the Witch King's magical power was greater than Gandalf's, it is not greater than Dumbledore's.


Who says? So the Witch King can't cast a death spell, he instills fear upon those who look at him. I'm pretty sure Dumbledore would be running around like a little pheg too if someone lite his robe on fire.

WC banshee-scream is breaking that little wand and making Dumbledore drop a turd. It's just so.


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That's ignoring the reason behind why the Witch King could do that in the movie. Because the Witch King's magical power was greater than Gandalf's, it is not greater than Dumbledore's.

Apparently so. Not that it matters.
Since you got it completely wrong in what I meant I'd say it does matter.


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Dumbledore is gay.

...And?

I knew that already.


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