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Philosophía
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They're from different universes

Glad to see you agree.

Anything else is speculation - the important part is KC Captain Marvel has nothing to do with mainstream Captain Marvel.

And yes, Alex Ross has quite the odd hard on for Captain Marvel, making him outshine Superman in terms of power whenever he can.

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Glad to see you agree.

Anything else is speculation - the important part is KC Captain Marvel has nothing to do with mainstream Captain Marvel.

And yes, Alex Ross has quite the odd hard on for Captain Marvel, making him outshine Superman in terms of power whenever he can.

Do you not like Captain Marvel being portrayed as equal or superior in some aspects to Superman?

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Philosophía
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No, because I think it's unsupported and ridiculous company policy.

Kind of like Thor and Hulk always being even in strength.

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Apr 17th, 2011 06:02 PM

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No, because I think it's unsupported and ridiculous company policy.

Kind of like Thor and Hulk always being even in strength.

How is it unsupported, though? And why do you find it ridiculous? Superman concedes to Cap having the edge in a direct confrontation due to magic and has on several occasions said he thinks Billy is an equal to him in every way. Not to mention the stalemates they've had in various comics, both the ones still considered canon and the ones which have been retconned due to COIE or Elseworlds.

Superman will still be the go to guy for major events and everything; but Captain Marvel being his equal or peer doesn't take anything away from him.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
No, because I think it's unsupported and ridiculous company policy.

Kind of like Thor and Hulk always being even in strength.

since when is thor even in strength with hulk?

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There's no problem with CM being his equal, but they can't be exactly equal. Someone has to be a little stronger than the other.

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since when is thor even in strength with hulk?

From his inception Thor was actually meant to be stronger than Hulk.

That's what Kirby and Lee intended anyway.

I think the quote was "How do you make a hero who's stronger than the strongest man there is (Hulk)? The answer: make him a God."

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Philosophía
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How is it unsupported, though? And why do you find it ridiculous? Superman concedes to Cap having the edge in a direct confrontation due to magic and has on several occasions said he thinks Billy is an equal to him in every way. Not to mention the stalemates they've had in various comics, both the ones still considered canon and the ones which have been retconned due to COIE or Elseworlds.

Superman will still be the go to guy for major events and everything; but Captain Marvel being his equal or peer doesn't take anything away from him.

So your argument for why Captain Marvel should be portrayed as equal to Superman, is because he is portrayed as equal to Superman?

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Ftw.

Tell me, if the characters are shown as equals in strength, yet one of them gets a ridiculous upgrade in power, but the other is still shown to be as strong as him, eventough nothing has changed in his powerlevel, would it be safe to say it's company policy?

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So your argument for why Captain Marvel should be portrayed as equal to Superman, is because he is portrayed as equal to Superman?

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Ftw.

Tell me, if the characters are shown as equals in strength, yet one of them gets a ridiculous upgrade in power, but the other is still shown to be as strong as him, eventough nothing has changed in his powerlevel, would it be safe to say it's company policy?

My argument for why he's portrayed as equal or a peer to Superman is because he is an equal or peer to Superman, yeah. It's what's shown on panel and has been shown on panel for years. Billy's power level has increased from Legends to the Power of Shazam graphic novel to the PoS ongoing and through the sporadic cameoes and mini's he's been in since ultimately being depowered, though. His feats have gotten better just as Superman's has. And he's been explicitly powered up twice before the depowering.

I don't understand why you're so opposed to this idea of Superman and Cap being equals and peers.

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Apr 17th, 2011 06:22 PM

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There is nothing that commands logic from a superhero comprised of magic doing anything.

Especially when its something as trivial as simply getting more powerful over time, something that is also bolstered by the precedence set of being able to directly amp his powers through Zeus. He's still partly a kid in CM form to boot, it should be expected for him to get better with manipulating his powers over time.

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And yes, Alex Ross has quite the odd hard on for Captain Marvel, making him outshine Superman in terms of power whenever he can.

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My argument for why he's portrayed as equal or a peer to Superman is because he is an equal or peer to Superman, yeah.

You don't realize how stupid motivating why "he's portrayed as equal to Superman" with "he's portrayed as equal to Superman" is?

But here, let me expand.

Superman stalemates Captain Marvel while the latter draws from the power of Heracless and Atlas combined. (Atlas is for staming under normal circumstances) – Marvel loses due to his power being cut off by Freddy/Mary.
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A Captain Marvel amped beyond normal circumstances stalemates what is the second weakest Superman in post-Crisis history. In the following years, Superman's power increases to a ridiculous level - see Jeph Loeb's run, OWAW and subsequent storylines, yet what happens once they meet again, in Action Comics? They are, again, portrayed as equals. Any actual reason given within continuity on why this happens? None. Company policy. Don't pretend it's imaginary massive power-ups.

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hater

Hater of what, idiotic scenes based on the writer being an established fanboy of one character? Then yes, I am a hater.

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Apr 17th, 2011 08:01 PM

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From his inception Thor was actually meant to be stronger than Hulk.

That's what Kirby and Lee intended anyway.

I think the quote was "How do you make a hero who's stronger than the strongest man there is (Hulk)? The answer: make him a God."

But what he was intended and what he is now is not the same.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Glad to see you agree.

Anything else is speculation - the important part is KC Captain Marvel has nothing to do with mainstream Captain Marvel.

And yes, Alex Ross has quite the odd hard on for Captain Marvel, making him outshine Superman in terms of power whenever he can.

U mean quite the same hard on u have for Clarky??

Feats aside if it's company policy, doesn't that add to the support for those two being equal in strength?? I mean it is their universe after all .

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Philosophía
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U mean quite the same hard on u have for Clarky??

Yes, but I'm not a professional comics writer.

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Feats aside if it's company policy, doesn't that add to the support for those two being equal in strength?? I mean it is their universe after all .

If you can't keep up with the discussion, don't bother getting involved at all.

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A Captain Marvel amped beyond normal circumstances stalemates what is the second weakest Superman in post-Crisis history. In the following years, Superman's power increases to a ridiculous level - see Jeph Loeb's run, OWAW and subsequent storylines, yet what happens once they meet again, in Action Comics? They are, again, portrayed as equals. Any actual reason given within continuity on why this happens? None. Company policy. Don't pretend it's imaginary massive power-ups.

so it can't be that superman getting asinine powerups for the sake of plot is the idiotic policy?

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Philosophía
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so it can't be that superman getting asinine powerups for the sake of plot is the idiotic policy?

Who says that Superman gets "asinine powerups for the sake of the plot"? Those power-ups aren't there just for one story, they hold to present day.

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Those power-ups aren't there just for one story, they hold to present day.

which is why superman is an idiotic character, CM Should always be >Superman

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Yes, but I'm not a professional comics writer.
If you can't keep up with the discussion, don't bother getting involved at all.

Wow..
If ure boy says he's equal to CM as shown on panel time and time again, there can only be one reason for that..

Supes >>> CM as per your perception...

It all so clear now... Ty.

Apr 17th, 2011 08:29 PM