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leonidas
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By having CIS off


doesn't matter that cis is off--he stills needs to flame on THEN attack. cyke justs sees him and kills him. it's quickdraw and i think cyke activates his powers first. even without cis. at best, they could kill each other i guess, but i still the the speed advantage being cyke's.


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but i still the the speed advantage being cyke's.
And here we simply disagree.

While HT can manouver Cycke will more or less stay on the ground. Before we go into "HT is faster" vs. "No Cyke is faster" let's just agree to disagree.

EDIT: Fire duplicates are another advantage.


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It was stated a few times that Summers' beam travels as fast as light.

Cyke asks Wolverine where Storm is, takes off his visor and kills him stick out tongue


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It's not hard to say at all.

Johnny kills them almost instantly.


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Yeah. Without CIS, what's to stop Johnny from just obliterating them and the immediate area?


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Yeah. Without CIS, what's to stop Johnny from just obliterating them and the immediate area?


I don't know... maybe his personality? cool


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Originally posted by Parmaniac
And here we simply disagree.

While HT can manouver Cycke will more or less stay on the ground. Before we go into "HT is faster" vs. "No Cyke is faster" let's just agree to disagree.

EDIT: Fire duplicates are another advantage.


the dupes wouldn't have the chance to come into play. i'm still not understanding just HOW you see johnny having the advantage. cyke has near-bullseye level aim with his beam and it travels (according to some) near light speed. just how quick does torch get to nova heat? just don't see his power working before cyke's.

i've no problem with you disagreeing--i simply don't understand how you think ht's powers work faster than cyke's.


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I don't know... maybe his personality? cool
His personality doesn't matter when there's no CIS and he's bloodlusted.

So I guess we both agree Johnny wins in a couple seconds.


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the dupes wouldn't have the chance to come into play. i'm still not understanding just HOW you see johnny having the advantage. cyke has near-bullseye level aim with his beam and it travels (according to some) near light speed. just how quick does torch get to nova heat? just don't see his power working before cyke's.

i've no problem with you disagreeing--i simply don't understand how you think ht's powers work faster than cyke's.
How would Cyclops aim matter when he can't see Johnny and Johnny can just go nova as soon as the fight starts, where he's standing...out of sight?


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His personality doesn't matter when there's no CIS and he's bloodlusted.

So I guess we both agree Johnny wins in a couple seconds.


CIS off just removes self imposed limitations, it doesn't completely overrule the characters personality.


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CIS off just removes self imposed limitations, it doesn't completely overrule the characters personality.
No CIS + Bloodlust completely changes a character's personality.

It's basically powerset vs. powerset, except we use what they actually shown to be able to do.

Johnny wins, case closed.


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How would Cyclops aim matter when he can't see Johnny and Johnny can just go nova as soon as the fight starts, where he's standing...out of sight?


ohhhhhh..... i see the issue. you and the other guy don't think cyke can see johnny?? not sure why i assumed line of sight. that's usually the case in a forum battle, no? even though it's a trainyard, i just figured they could see each other.

if cyke can't see johnny, then you're right absolutley--johnny kills them and they never see it coming. if they ARE in line of sight, cyke takes him out.

see, we're both right. big grin


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No CIS + Bloodlust completely changes a character's personality.

It's basically powerset vs. powerset, except we use what they actually shown to be able to do.

Johnny wins, case closed.


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assuming they start facing each other, even if crates are blocking the view, cyclops can instantly blow the whole yard to shrapnel along with the HT by widening the scope of his blast. the same goes for johnny going nova and incinerating the two.

this remais a quickdrawn contest and cyke is likely to win that

wolverine is pretty useless here, except in the scenario that cyke and johnny draw at the same time, killing each other and he then regrows from a neuron left in his skull after an hour

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Scenario 1

The mutants know they've been teleported into a maze to fight HT.
HT knows he's been teleported into a maze to fight Wolverine and Cyclops to the death.

The Mutants die horribly.

HT immediately goes Nova, then grabs wolverine's skeleton and buries it in the active, and currently erupting Kilauea Volcano in Hawaii for lulz.


Scenario 2:

HT knows there are two powerful fighters in the maze out to get him.

He can't see them but he knows they are there.

Wolverine does not know the identity of their opponent The Maze of trailers in the arena restricts the movement of air.

Cyclops knows they are up against a powerful opponent and they have to get into a position where they can see, without giving away their position.

They don't know if their opponent has enhanced senses or if he/she/it is close by.
The first thing wolverine will do is make a sign to cyclops not to make a sound. In the past they have worked together as a stealth team with great results. Wolverine will take point.

HT knows he's up against powerful enemies. He doesn't know whether or not they have flight capability.

He knows he's up against a serious threat to his life. A threat he can neither see nor hear. He doesn't know how close it is or what it is capable of.


The HT is in a shoot first ask questions later scenario.


Instant Flame On & Nova ftw.

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