Well Kubik did once state that a lone Celestial was "several orders of magnitude" more powerful than itself...
Based on feats, that statement stinks of PIS, but it may infact be Marvels way of retconning Cosmic Cubes/Cube Beings; if this is indeed what has happened, then a CCU will no longer allow Thanos or anyone else to beat Eternity or any Celestial...
I personally dont believe "non-unique" items should have the ability to make one almighty...
Powerful? Sure.
Very powerful if the item has an intelligent, creative, strong willed user (like Thanos) at the helm? Absolutely.
But powerful enough to defeat Eternity and Celestials? Shouldnt be happening...IMHO.
If true, that makes Set's performance against it even better. Keep in mind it was the combined willpower of Thing, Scarlet Witch, Spider-man and Classic Dr. Strange.
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Creating and destroying universes was easy for Classic Ion and ZH Parallax. Classic Ion had the ability to make massive changes to the past without affecting the future. He was roughly Spectre's equal in power (and Spectre > CCU)...
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I was under the impression that the Cosmic Cubes different levels of power was depending on their level of maturity and as such self imposed limitations (as also explained by Mephisto). For instance Goddess with her 30 cubes couldn't defeat Eternity and Infinity while Magus with 5 cosmic cubes (which the Goddess later stole and added) could easily accomplish said feat. Goddess also iirc needed the cubes in order to gain the required telepathic power to bypass the limitations of the Cubes, but granted it's been years since I read it.
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According to a later issue of Quasar, Magus only managed to comatose a Manifestation Body of Eternity. Eternity has an infinite amount of M-bodies. During that same issue where they show the one Magus comatosed, there were other ones fully conscious and conducting business as usual.
In the infamous Eternity/Infinity scan, they even brag that the Magus was an idiot to think he could so easily imprison an abstract, that the universe wasn't divided into little manageable sections for his convenience :
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I don't believe so, I recall the Red Skull having the same cube as the one Doom and Magneto had or maybe I'm thinking of another incident.
The increased maturity of each individual cube and as a result a restriction in the amount of power, it would also at the same time explain why a Cosmic Cube in one scenario can defeat Eternity and the next a fully matured Cosmic cube says he is dust next to Eternity. Goddess was very clear in her wish to obtain a greater level of telepathy in order to bypass the self imposed limitations the cubes had made on themselves. Also I think, Goddess history taken into consideration, that she should be capable of handling the Cubes to around Magus level, which wasn't at all the case.
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It's rather irrelevant how many M-bodies Eternity has at his disposal if he is denied access to them by the cosmic cubes. Eternity didn't just relocate. Then it's strange that the majority of the Infinity War was about freeing Eternity in order to get his approval of the Gems being reactivated if he was conscious elsewhere.
But that's exactly what went down. In that very same issue where Quasar finds "Eternity" comatose, there are OTHER M-bodies of Eternity running around doing things, fully conscious!
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That was so not what happened. In the quasar comic they even say Magus has imprisoned the spirit of eternity. The other ones were just stored reflections, repeating things they had already done.
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