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Mordru was killed in legion of 3 worlds. If dc's death tried to kill Mordru would she be unsuccessful ?


I'd guess not, but it's unknown..

Because, the Endless do play by certain rules, and Death might not have jurisdiction..

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I'd guess not, but it's unknown..

Because, the Endless do play by certain rules, and Death might not have jurisdiction..
The concept of death hasn't attempted to while Mordru might be fated to endlessly fail that doesn't mean Death doesn't have the power to kill him especially given the fact another writer implied his death in another arc. If one writer implies Grandmaster is beyond death but then loeb kills him off he isn't unkillable.


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Originally posted by quanchi112
Mordru was killed in legion of 3 worlds. If dc's death tried to kill Mordru would she be unsuccessful ?


I know where you are trying to get at, but Mordru can't die permanently, he is Immortal man but on a cosmic level. In LO3W Mordru Incapacitate himself, he is not permanently dead.

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I know where you are trying to get at, but Mordru can't die permanently, he is Immortal man but on a cosmic level. In LO3W Mordru Incapacitate himself, he is not permanently dead.
He wasn't incapacitated he was killed. If he was he wouldn't just disappear and her line of long live the legion but not Mordru wouldn't make any sense.


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He wasn't incapacitated he was killed. If he was he wouldn't just disappear and her line of long live the legion but not Mordru wouldn't make any sense.


JSA prince of Darkness, JSA thought Mordru was dead but he wasn't he was alive and well in Dr. Fate helemt, if Im not mistaken. It's been awhile!

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JSA prince of Darkness, JSA thought Mordru was dead but he wasn't he was alive and well in Dr. Fate helemt, if Im not mistaken. It's been awhile!
Yes, but this doesn't apply to another writer clearly having him killed just like Grandmaster's death at the hands of Rulk. Until we see otherwise in this story he died in the future in low 3.


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The entire universe consisted of beings who couldn't die until Death later came out. So yes the entire universe wasn't able to be killed we saw them evolve after the gotg leveled them and Thanos was the only one wit the power to kill them.


You keep ignoring my point that being immortal because death doesn't exist =/= being immortal.

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Thanos doesn't need his own spell to do so I just proved he can be defeated/killed.


No, you didn't prove anything. And yes, Thanos does need a way to defeat Mordru and you haven't presented any other than "Thanos kills him".

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Granted it isn't easy but Thanos is the avatar of Death. It's more than logical giving the line Long Live the Legion but not Mordru. That implies death.


No, "Long live _______" is a statement of hope. "Long live the Legion, but not Mordru" is a statement of hope.

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I am good at illustrating my points, eh ?


There's worse still, but you're pushing it.

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Thanos doesn't need to re institute death to an entire universe just kill someone.

This is true. Thanos doesn't need to introduce Death to the universe Mordru resides in, because Death is already there.

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Prime laughed off two blasts from Mordru leading me to believe he isn't as powerful as you claim.


Prime. Is. Immune(ish). To. Magic.

Was stated within Lo3W several times. Was stated outside of Lo3W several times more.

Thanos has never been shown to be immune to magic. Mordru opens a pocket dimension and drops him in. Game over. Mordru does all kinds of horrible things to Thanos. Game over.


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You keep ignoring my point that being immortal because death doesn't exist =/= being immortal.



No, you didn't prove anything. And yes, Thanos does need a way to defeat Mordru and you haven't presented any other than "Thanos kills him".



No, "Long live _______" is a statement of hope. "Long live the Legion, but not Mordru" is a statement of hope.



There's worse still, but you're pushing it.


This is true. Thanos doesn't need to introduce Death to the universe Mordru resides in, because Death is already there.



Prime. Is. Immune(ish). To. Magic.

Was stated within Lo3W several times. Was stated outside of Lo3W several times more.

Thanos has never been shown to be immune to magic. Mordru opens a pocket dimension and drops him in. Game over. Mordru does all kinds of horrible things to Thanos. Game over.
You keep ignoring he is killed/defeated right on panel.

Thanos has the power to do so based on his avatar of death role, his showings against Mar-vell, cancerverse beings, Maker, Galactus blast, Tyrant punch, etc. He's fought many beings well beyond Mrdru's scope of power.

It's also a literal statement as Mordru had just been previously killed. Do you think the writer would say he was only ko'd out of the universe ? You keep reaching and it's enjoyable but the statement and presentation of the comic make it clear he died.

Don't be made my views are supported by the comics.

Thanos isn't trying to wipe out an entire universe which was his goal in imperative here he just wants to kill Mordru which he can.

Not completely immune and he laughed it off worse than a Superboy punch. Thanos can teleport and Mordru doesn't do so very often. Mordru didn't do so against Prime. Mordru usually needs to amp himself just like he did in this comic to remain a truly uber threat in which he still was killed.


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You keep ignoring he is killed/defeated right on panel.

I'm not ignoring anything. I addressed the issue twice. There's no evidence he was killed, and there is evidence he wasn't.


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Thanos has the power to do so based on his avatar of death role, his showings against Mar-vell, cancerverse beings, Maker, Galactus blast, Tyrant punch, etc. He's fought many beings well beyond Mrdru's scope of power.

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It's also a literal statement as Mordru had just been previously killed. Do you think the writer would say he was only ko'd out of the universe ? You keep reaching and it's enjoyable but the statement and presentation of the comic make it clear he died.

If it was clear, and the writer wanted it to be clear, it would have been written clearly. It wasn't. That was intentional.

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Don't be made my views are supported by the comics.
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Thanos isn't trying to wipe out an entire universe which was his goal in imperative here he just wants to kill Mordru which he can.

Nobody is talking about wiping out a universe (which Thanos can't do).

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Thanos can teleport and Mordru doesn't do so very often. Mordru didn't do so against Prime. Mordru usually needs to amp himself just like he did in this comic to remain a truly uber threat in which he still was killed.

WTF is this shit?


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I'm not ignoring anything. I addressed the issue twice. There's no evidence he was killed, and there is evidence he wasn't.



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If it was clear, and the writer wanted it to be clear, it would have been written clearly. It wasn't. That was intentional.

roll eyes (sarcastic)


Nobody is talking about wiping out a universe (which Thanos can't do).


WTF is this shit?
Saying long live the legion but not Mordru after we just see him killed without any hint of him surviving means he's dead/defeated. He no longer posed a threat so under forum rules he's done as he didn't return under his own power.

Roll your eyes at his awesome feats it's a sign of a concession in your future.

The writer was clear you didn't understand it nor want to and since it isn't explained black and white he's dead after he was obviously killed it doesn't matter since he was defeated either way despite a huge amp. LOL.

That's the only reason he needs Death so bringing up her role in the comic is pointless as that's the only thing she did in the story.

Keep conceding. You are almost there.


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The Grandmaster dead was retconned into "not dead".


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Mordru wasn't killed in LO3W. He was just imprissoned.

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Mordru wasn't killed in LO3W. He was just imprissoned.
Based on what ?
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The Grandmaster dead was retconned into "not dead".
Scans ?


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Based on the future LOSH stories. We've already been over this. He's inside the White Witch waiting to get out.

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Based on the future LOSH stories. We've already been over this. He's inside the White Witch waiting to get out.
Oh really ? What issue ? I never followed up with the losh after this mini.


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It was a backup story featuring White Witch and Blok. Don't know off hand, but I believe it was stated in LO3W. That's why she is going crazy, because she has to contain Mordru.

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It was a backup story featuring White Witch and Blok. Don't know off hand, but I believe it was stated in LO3W. That's why she is going crazy, because she has to contain Mordru.
Was it one of those losh/superboy books where they split time ?


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Oh really ? What issue ? I never followed up with the losh after this mini.


As I said, the writer was deliberately vague.

Your concession is accepted.


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As I said, the writer was deliberately vague.

Your concession is accepted.
The writer wasn't deliberately vague another writer obviously changed it later on if this is true. Thanos still wins by a few different ways. He either traps him in force block, kos, or kills him outright.


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