Nihilist, I think It may be easier if u made a list of the Supermen u had in mind or atleast something more specific. Or this is just gonna devolve into a series of... does bizzaro count or how about black lantern Superman, and with supes that could and would go on forever. Just trying to help.
ok i see its kinda confucing so i will write down the supermans that are in this fight
Golden Superman Prime
Superman 1 Million
Kismet Superman
Composed Superman
KC Superman
All Star Superman
Cyborg Superman + all rings
Black harvey Superman
Chris Kent
Red/Blue Superman
GA Superboy Prime
PC Superman
the Quantum Superman
Tangent Superman
Superman beyond
Ultraman
Bizaro Superman
Red son Superman
Sun Dipped Superman
Kal El mainstream
all those are fighting classic asgard with all realms+ all Olympus, Rune King Thor version for thor and just for the heck of it lets throw in Surtur and Ymir
Last edited by Nihilst on Jan 7th, 2012 at 12:05 AM
there are also 5 IMP Supermans , there wasnt much light brought uppon them but the fact alone they are full 5 IMP beings is an outomatic stomp so i didnt include them
What happens if Odin combines all of Asgard into the super destroyer? assuming they don't know it's weakness (Find the bodies) THAT version of the destroyer can obliterate almost all of this list, will never tire out, and is immune to pretty much all assault.
What about the possibility of Odin (or Surtur) simply eliminating the sun to depower most of the supermen? It wouldn't be instantaneous, but they'd get progressively weaker as the fight went on.
While it might be "out of character" to obliterate the sun to win a fight, Odin could just restore it once the combat was over.
you got couple very strong telepaths on the superman team who can probably read his mind know what he is about to do and stop him from doing so
besides not all those versions are powered by the sun, there are few versions here who are powered up by different power sources like kisemt for example, or 1 Million who needs the super sun but he is full power here because its stupid to bring the super sun with him Lol
Last edited by Nihilst on Jan 7th, 2012 at 12:32 AM
While mind reading a skyfather is up for debate, Odin was able to restore stars to the sky with a wave of the hand, and his teleportation is good enough to move the entire dimension of asgard itself into the negative zone instantaneously.
Odin wants to remove the sun from the battlefield (or move the battlefield somewhere there is no sun) there isn't a realistic way for the supermen to stop him.
edit: and that's just Odin. King Thor was the same power level (or stronger) and Bor is the same class. Stopping Three Odins from pulling that off is impossible.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Jan 7th, 2012 at 12:35 AM
sorry you are wrong, as i said before couple very strong telepaths that can read his mind and know his intentions, hell kismet superman alone could know that and prevent odin from doing so, reading up a skyfather? you do realise there are few versions here who are probably above skyfather and few versions that are at the skyfather levels themselves so bringing the fact odin is a skyfather wont help here
as i said before the sun isnt the power source for all those verions like kismet or tangent superman or 1 Million in the first place , even without the sun what are they losing their powers within asecond? seriously man and all that assuming odin can even execute that in the first place
do you honestly think that removing the sun will suddenly depower the entire field or anyone?
are you honestly saying this list cant handle odin thor and bor? and even if for some odd reason the superman team will choose to defend the sun then some of those versions can create very powerful forcefields it wont be a problem to defend the sun for seconds because the fight wont take too long doesnt matter what direction the win goes to, and odin and the others got a lot of supermans keeping there hands in the fight they wont be just standing and blasting a force field protected sun while all the other supermans will just stand and stare
but as i said before removing the sun wont do anything
How am I wrong? There isn't any example I'm aware of of anyone "mind reading" an asgardian skyfather about his intentions, and even so I said it was "up for debate." possible, but I wouldn't bet my strategy on it.
Odin has demonstrated he's able to restore stars or knock them out instantaneously, and can teleport all of asgard (where this is taking place) somewhere there is no sun. You have THREE people on that team that can pull this off. The odds of stopping this from happening are essentially zero.
I also noted that MOST of those supermen have sun fueled powers. There are a few that aren't sun dependent, but taking the sun out of play weakens the hell out of the majority of them.
as for "above skyfather.." no. Odin/King Thor/Bor are at "tearing galaxies apart" levels of power. no one on that list has feats that exceed them.
go back and read my comment. Not immediate, but if the fight drags on (and it will) the supermen will get progressively weaker without the sun to recharge them. Like it or not, it's an advantage the asgardians can exploit here.
There are exceptions, but again the majority of that list relies on the sun to power them.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Jan 7th, 2012 at 12:47 AM
What if Rune King Thor, Bor, Surtur, and Ymir combine for a super god blast?
While all of Asgard (Asgard, Hela's army, Surtur's army, Dark Elves, Frost Giants, Serpent's army, etc), Hela and Odin combine into the Celestial fighting super Destroyer, and Odin implants pure hate into Mangog's mind towards Supermen.
While Malekith mans the Casket of Winters, and the Serpent and his Worthy/Beta Ray ram into battle all epic like
And Loki grabs the Norn Stones to power up all the herald-ish level characters left outside the Destroyer armor. Skurge, Enchantress, Fafnir, Malekith, Worthy, Beta, Karnilla, Ulik (and trolls), etc
Ya... I can see how Asgard can bring a good fight.
mega wrong, first of all what kind of argument are you trying to present? prove they can read a skyfather mind? Superman 1 Million alone was scaning an entire planet with telepathy to find information within seconds ,igot the impresion you dont know much about all those superman versions do you? kismet superman is far above the skyfather levels , i will not start to educate you about kismet if you dont know about it then its up to you to catch up withthe error, tangent Superman as well, composed superman was uber as hell and again a very powerful mind reader, and you are trying to tell me they cant stop odin from teleporting or destroying a star? fore serious man? Kismet Superman is above odin.
do you really think if the sun will be destroyed suddenly half of the supermans will get depowered??? you dont even know the basics of superman he is charged for some time like a battery and i can assure you the sun charge will be enough for the fight believe me
by the way i never said CIS is off so they fight in character and since when do characters start fights like that?
as i said if odin or anyone even thinks about doing so the telepaths on thesuper team will know off it and work to stop it from happening, as for can they do it? yes... Superman 1 Million force vision field powered up by Golden prime While Kismet and Tangent Superman make odin regret this idea
Last edited by Nihilst on Jan 7th, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Scanning a planet is not the same thing as reading the mind of the king of the gods.
you would be wrong, chief. I've been here for quite some time- all of those versions of superman are well known to me.
If that was the case, then Imperiex wouldn't have been a problem. Unfortunately, feats don't back this up.
Am I speaking english? I never said that. I said that eliminating the sun means (most of) the supermen will get weakened AS TIME GOES ON. and FYI, Superman 1 million (who you think is skyfather level) nearly killed himself aging into oblivion trying to punch through a time barrier when stranded in the present day where there is no super sun.
In contrast, Odin/King Thor can manipulate time at will. They're not on the same level.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Jan 7th, 2012 at 01:02 AM
oh give me a break will you? king of the gods? a self made title? and tell me does the title "king of the gods" give him so special telepathic ammunity? was it ever presented that some telepath couldnt read his mind? galactus and odin were going at it in a telepathic battle his mind was penetrated telepathicly, Superman 1 Million got telepathy on levels that he can communicate with beings from different planets and galaxies, the black harvey dent version of superman had telepathy to the point he could see what all the people on earth are thinking about him, Kismet is a being far greater than odin which is a joke to even assume kismet superman wont be able to read and block odin.
actually Kismet Superman beat imperiex and are you serious? imperiex is >> Odin, i just love how people like to boast odin to such degrees and try to make a celestial + being out of him
wana talk about 1 million almost killing himself? ok... he was several days away from the super sun which took away almost all his powers to the point he couldnt fly or even use his base powers such as heat vision, was stated by him he is becoming a mortal and has to use his last powers to do this feat, so what you basically have is superman 1 million amazingly depowered doing such a feat, and no he didnt almost killed himself by breakingthe time barrier because guess what? he broke it within thefirst punch and within the first punch he actually punched to the year 4000 and caused shockwaves and altered events, what did almost kill him was punching 853 CENTERIES into the future, i already explained the context behind it , as i said Superman 1 Million is at full power here because its dumb to bring the super sun with him
manipulate time? didnt see that much,quantum superman also controls the time but if you think that odin can just freeze everybody i got to take a big laugh at it because kismet superman tangent Superman 1 Million quantum and golden prime wont be effected at all, the rest who will be effected will bereleased from it by Superman 1 Million who showed he can get out of time loops due to his senses.
sorry i dont believe that you know about every superman here because if you did you wouldnt think odin surter and bor cant be stopped by them
Last edited by Nihilst on Jan 7th, 2012 at 01:20 AM
and you know what? even if we take telepathy away for a second... do you know quantum superman? you do? good luck to odin hiding away his intentions from him
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