That's your argument? Pitiful. Diana was just a carrier of god-bacteria. In fact one of your feats i.e. barry and wally complementing her speed comes from the same "weakened" state. Read final crisis.
You mean the "bitchslap" comic where an unintrested superman was slapping her around? You mean WW 219, where superman used rocks to fight "doomsday"? Wow great ABC logic there sherlock, orion tore out darkseid's heart, darkseid wtfpwns WW by a backhand. Calculate yourself.
Thanks for bringing great arguments to the table Watson.
"Bitchslap", watch your language boy. Don't get upset. It's just a comic debate. Anyway, as far as that fights concern, neither one of them was going all out. Diana was trying to talk Clark it.
Barry and Wally commenting on Diana's speed, means a-lot because she affected by the Anti-Life Equation. Diana wasn't going all out. When Superman attacked, she was focusing on the other heros. Ha'd Diana known she could have block the attack with her vambraces, or move out of the way. It's quite simple.
I don't recall Superman using rocks to fight Doomsday, if so then that was complete ... Clark, broke her risk and knock her out of orbit. If that doesn't impress you, then your obviously a delisional fanboy, who can't see past the Red Cape. Once again, Diana knew he was being mind controlled. That's why she went after Maxwell Lord. She could have ended Superman, and she nearly did when she threw her Tiara at him.
In that Final Crisis page... what makes anyone think she stayed down? Wonder Woman played an active role in the battle against Darkseid, remember.
Being knocked off of her riding beast doesn't mean she's out or even hurt, and that's all that happened there.
In For Tomorrow, they both hit each other back and forth, Superman was trying to get past her and couldn't, and had to resort to 'look, innocents in danger! Go save them," in order to get past her.
WW was, noteworthily, never hurt in that fight. Yes, there was a 'slap' blow, but WW also hit Superman repeatedly too, about an equal number of hits, so don't misrepresent it.
So the way it happened in Superman's own book was "they fight back and forth, neither hurt, until Clark comes up with a distraction to sneak past her."
Looking through Sacrifice, I never saw him use rocks, but he did fight in a very forum-optimal bloodlusted fashion: He started out by using super speed in combination with super strength to try and throw her into the sun while blasting heat vision in her face.
Pretty much Superman was fighting as everyone always wants him to fight. Not only was he not messing around, but he uses his powers in combination better than just about any other fights he's been in. I think only the Elite fight and OWAW can claim the same or better.
Also, he actively dodged her lasso. So while he was as enraged as fighting 'doomsday,' he was fighting as if he was fighting Wonder Woman and avoiding/working to counter her specific advantages that Doomsday didn't have. He wasn't acting like he was fighting a weaponless melee only bruiser.
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Another fight is the one where Circe enchants Superman and makes him grow Doomsday spikes, consuming him in rage. Not holding back in strength at all, and even with physical enhancements (though obvious less tactical thought), Diana was still able to hurt him physically, take hits, and deal with him.
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One thing I find interesting is in non-Wonder Woman books, they tend to fight without hurting each other, while it's in WW books where it's noted that Clark's stronger and they hurt each other a lot in drag-out knock down fights where she tries to hold on until she can use a weapon to entangle him or cut his throat.
And they've fought something like a half-dozen times in the post crisis era, and I don't think Wonder Woman has a single defeat one on one.
Sacrifice, notably, was a big event fight. Meaning the higher ups definitely had directly say in how it would go, and the way they decided was both of them being very injured and bloody by the end.
I've read virtually every post crisis comic of Diana's to date and yes, the team can most certainly win this. All things being equal and everyone acting in character, the combined effort of the team would ultimately prove too much for her, though she'd put up a great effort.
If she went nutso and tapped into the CBR Force or something, she could begin soul raping people and cutting vital arteries with the tiara to great effect. She's not likely to do that, however.
Has ionic Wonder Man been physically battered unconscious? I'd think he has, but I can't even remember when it happened since his return from the dead.
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Feb 28th, 2012 09:02 PM
... Clark, broke her risk and knock her out of orbit. If that doesn't impress you, then your obviously a delisional fanboy, who can't see past the Red Cape. Once again, Diana knew he was being mind controlled. That's why she went after Maxwell Lord. She could have ended Superman, and she nearly did when she threw her Tiara at him. 
