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Lucifer vs. Superman: Battle of willpower only
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Why insult these 2 by bringing in thanos? In a match of wills, Thanos doesn't even belong on world wide Web let alone in the same thread. smile


That is indeed the Final Truth .

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Many in dc have been described as having great willpower.
There is a difference between "great" and "greatest".


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There is a difference between "great" and "greatest".
When has Superman been referred to as the greatest ?

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That is indeed the Final Truth .
That's off topic.


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When has Superman been referred to as the greatest ?


That was my question.

Apparently in Emperor Joker, but I read Emperor Joker and don't recall that.


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Superman has been stated as having "infinite" or "indomitable" will on more than one occasion.

I *think* there was a panel where Spectre said Superman's will was the strongest in creation, but I could be misremembering.

At the very least we're talking about him being in the same ballpark as Batman and Hal Jordan.


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That's off topic.


Wasn't referred to you , so its not .

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That was my question.

Apparently in Emperor Joker, but I read Emperor Joker and don't recall that.
It's probably something taken out of context. It usually is the case when it comes to Superman fans. The fact is Hal Jordan and Batman alone are peers to Superman when it comes to willpower. No character in dc sits a top the mountain with anything definitive.

It's like me using one issue of the jla where Martian Manhunter is described as the most powerful member but having another issue cite someone else as the most powerful. Then you could even take it a step further. How do you define powerful.


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It's probably something taken out of context. It usually is the case when it comes to Superman fans. The fact is Hal Jordan and Batman alone are peers to Superman when it comes to willpower. No character in dc sits a top the mountain with anything definitive.

It's like me using one issue of the jla where Martian Manhunter is described as the most powerful member but having another issue cite someone else as the most powerful. Then you could even take it a step further. How do you define powerful.


No, is not something taken out of context.

In fact Batman's will and Hal's will had already been broken in here.

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Still, funny You put a herald vs a multiversal abstract entity and this is not closed as spite. 'cuz He has the will to challenge it.


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Oh and don't take me wrong Quan.

I believe a Multiversal abstract entity should win vs a Herald, but a Herald loosing a will battle vs a multiversal abastract entity with infinite will is not a bad showing at all. evil face


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It's probably something taken out of context. It usually is the case when it comes to Superman fans. The fact is Hal Jordan and Batman alone are peers to Superman when it comes to willpower. No character in dc sits a top the mountain with anything definitive.

It's like me using one issue of the jla where Martian Manhunter is described as the most powerful member but having another issue cite someone else as the most powerful. Then you could even take it a step further. How do you define powerful.
Batman's willpower is explicitly not as great as Superman's, in Emperor Joker at least.

Batman's mind was shattered by the tortures he endured at the hands of the Joker, incoherent and helpless. Superman told the Spectre to take all of Batman's anguish, all of his mental pain, and place it inside himself. Superman needless to say didn't become a babbling douche like Batman was.


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Doom indeed wouldn't lose in a "weakest will" competition.


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Superman needless to say didn't become a babbling douche like Batman was.


Hey watch it.


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It's probably something taken out of context. It usually is the case when it comes to Superman fans. The fact is Hal Jordan and Batman alone are peers to Superman when it comes to willpower. No character in dc sits a top the mountain with anything definitive.

It's like me using one issue of the jla where Martian Manhunter is described as the most powerful member but having another issue cite someone else as the most powerful. Then you could even take it a step further. How do you define powerful.


Don't start; you're on incredibly thin ice as it is, and snarky, bashing comments won't help your case.


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No, is not something taken out of context.

In fact Batman's will and Hal's will had already been broken in here.



Still, funny You put a herald vs a multiversal abstract entity and this is not closed as spite. 'cuz He has the will to challenge it.
Power level has nothing to do with willpower. Nothing. Anyone with considerable willpower alone takes out the characters raw power. The fact you believe a hh has anything to do with willpower is preposterous.

I also don't make spite threads.

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Oh and don't take me wrong Quan.

I believe a Multiversal abstract entity should win vs a Herald, but a Herald loosing a will battle vs a multiversal abastract entity with infinite will is not a bad showing at all. evil face
Their power levels have nothing to do with a forum battle with regards to willpower alone. And since when did I say losing in a forum battle is a bad showing ? It's not even a showing at all. It's an opinion.

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Batman's willpower is explicitly not as great as Superman's, in Emperor Joker at least.

Batman's mind was shattered by the tortures he endured at the hands of the Joker, incoherent and helpless. Superman told the Spectre to take all of Batman's anguish, all of his mental pain, and place it inside himself. Superman needless to say didn't become a babbling douche like Batman was.
That's why I used the examples I did. In certain showings it seems other characters are more powerful than others. One could make a case for Superman over Batman but my point was it's not a definitive one. One could argue either way. Being on another level means Batman's will simply isn't on the level Superman's is. That varies from story to story I believe. I'd like to read through the arc myself to get the entire story. A scan here or there usually doesn't tell the entire story. It might be accurate but I'd rather read the entire arc for myself to know for sure.


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Doom wouldn't lose.


Not really, He cannot even will heroes out of existence even with the powers of a pre retcon beyonder, the power was too much for his will.


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Power level has nothing to do with willpower. Nothing. Anyone with considerable willpower alone takes out the characters raw power. The fact you believe a hh has anything to do with willpower is preposterous.

I also don't make spite threads.

Their power levels have nothing to do with a forum battle with regards to willpower alone. And since when did I say losing in a forum battle is a bad showing ? It's not even a showing at all. It's an opinion.



No one is saying this is spite laughing which is funny, because this is the will of a Multiversal abstract entity with known infinite will vs Superman's will. Is actually much better.

And I know you consider his will power high otherwise You wouldn't have started this thread.


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No one is saying this is spite laughing which is funny, because this is the will of a Multiversal abstract entity with known infinite will vs Superman's will. Is actually much better.
I would like you to explain to me why an abstract's will should be greater than someone else's. I mean I am all for it since Thanos beat Eternity via will power before. But I am curious as to hear more of this rationale.

You think Lucifer wins. No need to explain it away. Just say Lucifer wins and move on.


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