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CosmicComet
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I don't remember it being explicitly stated that "I gave you more power than Cain", rather that seems to be the logical extension people are taking "You're my favorite avatar. Why do you think I've given you so much?" to --Referring to his demon-like form.

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Demon Colossus should logically be more powerful. Plus I don't remember Cain ever beating down someone on the level of Rulk so easily, especially with no shield.

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Cain beat down Thor worse in the 8th Day Saga.

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Cain beat down Thor worse in the 8th Day Saga.

If you count 8th Day then they would be comparable. Thor was at least able to mount some sort of offense but I guess you could say he lasted as long as Cain allowed him to. Normal Juggs wasn't that powerful though.

Aug 3rd, 2012 05:28 PM

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Normal Juggs beat down Thor twice though, with Thor winning both battles through BFR and magic I believe. Thor stood absolutely no chance in either of the fights without bfr's by Mjolnir and dropping Cain's forcefield.

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depends on how p'od original juggernaut is. if he is completely raged, then him.

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Normal Juggs beat down Thor twice though, with Thor winning both battles through BFR and magic I believe. Thor stood absolutely no chance in either of the fights without bfr's by Mjolnir and dropping Cain's forcefield.

Demon Colossus didn't need a forcefield.

Aug 4th, 2012 12:10 AM

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Same could be said about Classic Juggs not having enough strength to overcome Demon Colossus' durability. I say infinite stalemate if anything as we don't know just what Big C meant when he said that.

And true enough, Stoic. True enough.

he wouldnt have to in my opinion. Colossus doesnt have the will to use the superior power he's been given. He'd rip off tje helm amd get worked again.

That said: if he gave in to the destructive instoncts then yeah stalemate.

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If Piotr can stop having "Bob Ross moments", he would own classic Juggs, it wouldn't even be close.

The problem is that he starts his whining bagpipe and loses focus. If Piotr thought Cain would kill Kitty or had injured Logan or some scenario where he had to protect someone he cared about, he would put Juggs out of his misery.

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Where was is said that Cyttorak gave Piotr more power?

This was NEVER stated.

And Piotr has done nothing to compare with Cain's past slugfests against Hulk, Thor, Nightmare, etc.

Even the most powerful incarnations of Hulk have chosen to bfr Cain or needed Celestial technology to even fight on his level.

Turning into a big, ghey hermit crab is not impressive. Nor, is beating up a Red Hulk that doesn't have full access to his powers.

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