AM's stock is rising while Namor's is plummeting. AM is starting to have decent fights and feats under his belt plus his standard gear is respectable. Let the TP feats start pouring in and it's pretty much game over.
Plus check out AM"s comic sales. Not too shabby.
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As a fan of both I wish they were both treated the same way DC treats AQ the past few years.
If anything is proven, is that that a powerful character with ties to such a vast mythology as the underwater fantasy world and Atlantis can be very interesting and epic.
Great, aquaman is faster in swimming. How does that makes him far faster than Namor in a fight?
I'm talking about combat speed. Namor has outright caught whizzer blitzing who was faster than Quicksilver, danced around Hercules who has some super-speed of his own and has swimmed so fast that he can make whirlpool as big as Northstar and Aurora could make it together. He has also moved fast enough to use his body as a drill. Has arthur done anything similar?
Regularly keeps up with the Flash while in water, faster reflexes than Deathstroke, swimmed so fast that created tidal waves,employed Flash like spinning to create whirpools with his hands, spinned fast enough to create a vacum in the middle of the ocean, created huge whirpools, danced casually around multiple machine guns commenting how it's as easy as he swims, blitzed Power Ring out of water, KOed Olympian (confirmed super speed, AKA the Greek Superman), took on his entire rogues gallery that consists of 100 tonners Deep Six among others and was holding his own blitzing some in the process etc etc .
I've debated Aquaman vs Namor so many times and the outcome is always the same, so I'll save you the trouble about trying to prove that Namor is faster, because it's simply not true.
Edit: forgot to mention, that in Time and Tide Aquaman catches the Flash while he is running on water.
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I'd have to see the flash scans. Namor is faster than cap, he also swimmed fast enough to create tidal waves, Namor has created whirlpools from his hands too, created a vacuum too, dodged machine gun fires and lasers, that KO of olympian has nothing to do with speed and Namor has KOED hulk twice, Namor has fought Thor, Hercules, Abomination, Sentry and people like that in h2h and even oneshotted pineapple thing who was legit class 100.
The fact is that Namor is vastly stronger than arthur. He was doing feats like throwing sub-marines filled with water 50 years ago. When Arthur has a feat like setting every seismographs in every laboratory on the planet off in a fight, wake me up.
Guys, guys, guys. This isn't DCnU Aquaman (Who can give Namor one hell of a fight, physically) this is Pre-Flashpoint Aquaman with his pimp, er I mean Water Hand!
I'm not saying Aquaman is stronger.
I already stated that in my first post on this thread.
But he is strong enough to give Namor a fight and using his superior speed, his telepathy and his water hand take the fight.
Seriously as you also admitted Aquaman is at least a faster swimmer if not a fighter also (who I maintain he is) and all he has to do is stay out of Namor's reach and destroy him mentally.
In addition Namor would also have to content with all the marine life AQ summons. They might not be able to actually hurt Namor significantly but they would keep Namor occupied for a while. That includes Krakens, Dragon like creatures and everything else AQ has summoned in the main DC continuity.
And then you have the water hand which controls water (effectively the battle field) and can mess Namor up in melee.
Namor is nowhere near the telepath AQ is.
Never was.
AQ mentally beat his exact equal in Kordax so bad he committed suicide to escape the strain.
And in their previous battle all the sea creatures around the entire world were in pain the moment of the battle.
And that is before he even got an upgrade when he gained access to the Clear, which he maintained with the Water Hand.
AQ would defeat Namor either via speed and telepathy or via speed and Water Hand.
And AQ has used telepathy as a mean to end fights consistently (even with the Water Hand during the American Tidal) so it most certainly is not out of character to mind rape Namor after the first few punches.
Plus AQ as I stated before can also control the plankton inside Namor's body and incapacitate him.
AQ has the perfect powerset to take Namor down, without being ridiculously overpowered (although with the Water Hand you can make a case)
He was arrogant enough to go h2h against Despero.
Namor has resisted TP. Even Emma Frost can't go in the corners of his mind where he didn't want her to go.
I know Namor very well and I have several of those fights with Hulk. Right down to their first tussle in issue 3 of the original Avengers. So what. You claimed Namor would "trash" Arthur in a physical fight. How exactly is he supposed to do that when Arthur has taken blows without significant damage from characters in Hulk's paygrade. "trash" is not on the cards at all. Especially when you add in the healing factor that the water hand gives him which would enhance the durability feats I showed you quite considerably.
namor would best aquaman in a physical fight, but given the circumstances aquman takes it, also can aquaman fly? If not that may give namor an advantage given his ability to fly
Water hand gives him dimensional transportation. I'll take that over flight any day. Namor might fly but Arthur could just teleport above him or in front of him ( or BFR him anywhere).
Also all the feats of Namor resisting TP are completely meaningless. Arthur's TP is unlike any others. it works on the lower brain functions not the higher. In short it affects the instinct not the intellect. That is why he has been able to mind rape white martians, read MMH against his will, telepathically defeat dimensional entities that Jonn' failed to beat and more.
None of the above have TP specific to mess Namor up.
Aquaman does.
Add superior speed , telepathy, water hand and crazy durability and it's over for Namor
Also Aquaman was not "arrogant" as you suggest against Despero, since he was never KOed or defeated physically and was doing fine. He actually succeeded in giving MM some time to gather up himself. Not to mention that even pre 52 he tanked Wonder Woman's punches to the face, on land with a smile and without bleeding. Namor's strength is his only slight advantage and is most certainly not enough.
And he certainly is nowhere near as arrogant as Namor generally is.
However you look at this, Namor is outmatched.
Also remember he can destroy Namor internally with a thought via microbe control in Namor's body, and there is absolutely nothing Namor can do. All that while Mind blasting him and blitzing him at superior speed. And if that's not enough there's always the waterhand.
Edit: Aquaman (preboot) has taken hits from Wonder Woman (even better than post boot), Despero, Triton, Slig, Green Lantern, Johny Quick, Starro (blasts), Amazo (point blank Superman heat Vision), Shaggy Man, Lobo, Superboy, Tiamat (a dragon that was owing Power Girl but Aquaman managed to survive and break free from her grip), King Shark, Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter, etc etc
Namor's strength is not enough for a win.
Not even remotely close.
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Last edited by comicfan11 on Jul 17th, 2013 at 02:23 PM
Consider Namor has been taken down by Daredevil, and many not much higher. I know it's low showings and I'm not for an instant saying they say anything. My point is he's taken haymakers plenty of powerhouses and explosion, buildings collapsed on him, artillery from war ships. He's lifted tankers out of the ocean over turned oil rigs, supported high rise buildings collapsing while evacuated ( many of these in the 100 to 300 class level) In a purely physical fight I'm not nor have I said he would beat Namor. I said he wont be "trashed" he has too high a durability and a healing factor. In one issue it was shown that he healed so quickly he had layers of scar tissue on top of each other.
You don't end up with a body that can withstand the the pressure of crush depth for a nuclear Sub or can go to the deepest parts of the magelian Trench without being able to take a shit load of damage.
You left out that space vampire who's superman level ( had a planet moving feat as I recall- though honestly even I call that one PIS). I can't remember his name sorry.
Starbreaker?
No PIS. AQ is extremely resistant to energy attacks.
Anyway I was mostly listing physical attacks.
And then there's Know Man, the guy who had the entire JLA (Supes, WW, MM, GL, Flash) pinned to the ground with some sort of energy and the only one who was able to break it was AQ (mentioning that he is used to pressure from living in the bottom of the ocean).
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