Diana being more skilled then Hercules is hardly common comic book knowledge.
Maybe you view her as clearly more skilled.
What feats does Diana have that you feel puts her two classes above Hercules? People bring up Diana sparring with Lady Shiva as evidence of her prowess while she has her powers. Hercules went toe to toe with Elektra while powerless not too long ago as I recall.
Again, what evidence are you basing this on?
Also, Diana is no class A fighter. People like Batman and Captain America are class A fighters. Bruce has held his own and has even gotten the better of her on a few occasions despite her crazy power advantage.
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strength is roughly equal, like her strength is roughly equal to cap marvel's. skill is also about equal or not so different that it would give diana the win. her biggest advantage on paper--by FAR--is her very obvious speed advantage. he could certainly take some wins, but her speed gives her the majority. and this thread has been done...a lot.
Skill is proven through
1. How a character performs in battle
2. How a character fare against a known other
1. Holds more weight than 2. since characters job/sometimes fight inefficiently, ABC logic is faulty, etc.
Skill isn't quantifiable as say strength and speed. You have to be experienced in fighting knowledge to have a credible subjective opinion on skill. Diana has shown highly skilled techniques (with their application) of countering, blocking, dodging, pressure points, agility, striking of all forms, etc.
She is the greatest Amazon warrior. This makes her a class A fighter outright. There is plenty evidence that, in equal bodies, she can fight Batman, Lady Shiva, etc. and hold her own. In comics, when they have WW fight or spar with skilled fighters they ignore her powers. Just like Superman's speed/reflexes, super hearing, etc. is sometimes ignored in comics.
There's also the matter that Black Canary and Batman regularly complement her on her hand to hand skill.
And when she fought with sticks with Canary, Canary thoughtbubbled, "I could use my cry, but then she'd use her powers..." indicating she wasn't fighting Dinah with powers.
Also, there is a massive difference between when WW and Batman spar (in which they will fight fairly evenly, and Batman will use holds that could be powered out of, indicating lack of super strengths), and when it's more serious (Hikatera, wherein she pwns him and there's no indication of not using powers), indicating she's not using her powers in the former.
WW is class A not B. You can't be the greatest Amazon warrior and be a B class fighter. The amazonian arts are superior to the vast majority of the earthly arts. She is on par with Batman, etc.
Hercules at best is B but is C the vast majority of the time.
Then you don't read comics or understand fighting. WW clearly is more skillful. Look at her blocks, parrys, counters, dodging, kicking ability, pressure points, smoothness, agility, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or an expert martial artists to see this. Not only she knows far more techniques than Hercules, but she does them with the smoothness of a master.
Glad you mentioned her dodges and parrys. Herc doesn't need to do have the dodges and parry's because he's much stronger than her to begin with. Secondly, Herc is the foremost skilled WRESTLER in comics and that is not debatable. So what, wrestling skill doesn't matter, is that what you are saying? Herc would break that brawd's neck with a well placed suplex that she wouldn't be able to counter.
Are you familar with Herc at all? I ask that because you actually called him a C class fighter. Can you name some other C class fighters? Are you comparing him to someone like the Rhino, or one of the wrecking crew members?
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