Except Thor has speed feats that make light look like its going in slow motion. Thor isn't being pulled by that hammer at speeds so incredibly he can't perceive where he's going, he has to be able to decide when to stop, where to go, etc.
Which he obviously isn't and his basic little lightning bolt is what has trouble hitting quicksilver. He moved so fast quicksilver wasn't able to react to the shockwave of his slam after that.
He's not in the sense that flash is, but he's able to move very very fast with Mjolnir.
Well, it should be accepted because it's pretty much common sense that travelling speed =/= fighting speed. This is clearly true in fiction as well since you very rarely see non-speedster herald level (Thor, Surfer, Nova, etc.) characters fight at FTL, but you do see them travel at such speeds very often. Flying at FTL =/= throwing punches, blasts, kicks, or any other offensive/defensive thing during a fight.
Last edited by TheTyrant on Apr 7th, 2014 at 07:10 AM
Except besides narrations that say shit like "1000 punches per second", "punched at lightspeed" or "punched a guy in a microsecond", there's no indication of how fast a fight actually is
Reason why character speeds are based off notable speed feats, not fights, and why the "combat speed" retardation is invalid :distracted
But to take a page from that book, can you prove DBZ characters fight at the same speed that they travel at?
*que the whole lack of quantification and "oh they leave afterimages so we know they're fast or using speed feats to quantify DBZ chars yet denying the same precendents for comic chars*
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Whiss stated that Bills can destroy "Quadrants of the universe" just by getting angry. A quadrant of the universe, in case you didn't know, is a fourth of the universe.
SSJG Goku was completely equal to 70% full power Bills.
SSJG Goku can destroy quadrants, or at least a few hundred million galaxies by just getting angry.
From Goku's POV, yes, considering that Goku moves so much faster than any non-universal abstract character in marvel/DC other than Flash, that Hulk would be dead before he even knew his head was vaporized.
Which is why Thor resorted to an AoE attack rather than just initially hit Quicksilver directly amirite?
Not to mention his two showings against Mongoose, or Captain America's training regime (it was Masterson Thor but Cap says his predecessor had trouble with it as well), etc...
Sure he can move fast (and he has a handful of super speed feats) but in general he isn't extremely quick. Certainly not to the level of DBZ characters.
So we're going to conveniently ignore Thor fighting ****ers like Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Gladiator on even terms? As in ****ers who are massively more physically powerful than DBZ
Yeah that's cool :distracted
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That was a translation error. He actually said solar system.
He still shreds anyone here except for Thanos.
Since their blasts are FTL, they fight at FTL all the time
So are you conveniently ignoring all the times where he hasn't blitzed street-level characters? I'm pretty sure that's happened way more often than Thor fighting or travelling at FTL. Pretty big double standards there homie.
Last edited by TheTyrant on Apr 10th, 2014 at 05:01 AM
Scans or it didn't happen, in reference to the FTL blasts, ofc
Positive feedback dictates we favor the high end showings over the low end ones for any fictional character
Because low ends will horrendously outnumber the high end ones for any medium :distracted
I suppose according to you Beta Ray Bill with similar abilities and powersets along with ****ers like Surfer and Gladiator can blitz his ass in a straight up fight (nah, shouldn't have said that, you'll prolly just cry 'outlier' I presume?)
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Last edited by StealthRanger on Apr 10th, 2014 at 07:53 AM
Hopefully I won't have to explain how that's massively FTL since it traveled more than the earth's radius in an 'instant.'
Note that Goku traveled light years in less than a second using that ability.
Says you or is there a general consensus on this here? Because low-end and high-end feats should be thrown out the window. Why? Because they're low-end and high-end and therefore not how the characters actually perform 99% of the time.
Black Panther putting Silver Surfer is a high-end showing for him as well. So we're going to use that or are you going to call PIS?
Exactly what I'm saying; low-end and high-ends are a bad way to gauge a character's powers and capabilities. I'm not saying that we just use low-ends and forget all about the high-ends.
Not at all. Thor has just as many high-end speed feats as they do. Matter of fact, probably more than all of them except for maybe Silver Surfer. He's already bested Silver Surfer on panel anyway.
All that aside, point was that combat speed is different that travel speed. There is a character in One Piece who can literally become light and move as fast as light can. However, he can't FIGHT at light speed and neither can characters who can beat him up. Like how Usain Bolt can run faster than Floyd Mayweather, but can't throw faster jabs. That's how it works and it makes perfect sense.
Last edited by TheTyrant on Apr 10th, 2014 at 06:43 PM
That was something made up by idiot fangirls to deny the feat. Cell said he could solar system bust. If you watch BOTG's, Whiss CLEARLY says "Uchu no yon", which LITERALLY translates to "fourth of universe".
I don't know where you guys are getting solar system from... Watch the phucking movie again, he clearly says "Uchu no yon".
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