Incorrect. He's been beaten many times and has needed help like all heroes. There is nothing different about him from the heroic standpoint from the rest. He usually pulls through in his own comic but has needed aid there as well. He also like most heroes needs to join a team to combat the greater threats.
I understand. And the same thing applies to Fulcrum as well. But yeah, i was mistaken to compare a depiction of TOAA as a real world person (like FF #511) and a supreme being within the comic book reality (like the Fulcrum). Sp perhaps this one should clarify my point.
Fulcrum "searching" for anything, is similar to TOAA needing Thanos to fix the flaw. Sure it was never stated that he needed Thanos, but one could easily ask why did he give Thanos the HOTI to begin with.
And the same thing applies to the Fulcrum. Or do you think that the Fulcrum being called "jack" and it being the master of Celestials (similar to how Jack Kirby actually created the Celestials), and a picture of the Fulcrum being similar to how Kirby looks (the instance where he referred to Tiamut as his equal in power) is all a coincidence?
And you're saying this as if comics haven't depicted characters exceeding the supreme being. Because fact is, they have.
In Supergirl v4, the Carnivore usurped the Presence after blackmailing him (he threatened to kill one of its aspects).
And in Swamp Thing v2, Swamp Thing evolved into a power greater than God.
The titan brothers in the Lucifer series also usurped the Presence.
Etc..
And you yourself think that LT, empowered by TOAA, was determining if he had enough power to take on IG Warlock (something which i disagree with but that's beside the point), so it shouldn't be too hard to accept Tiamut being equal to a supreme being due to retarded writing.
And this is all different from She-Hulk killing John Bryne. That was just pure comedy and not to be taken seriously. throughout the entire She-Hulk run there was 4th wall breaking comedy.
Take for example Sensational She-Hulk #37, where she literally commanded Bryne to draw the background and her apartment back. Which he did. Obviously this is a joke, how can TOAA (the writer) be commanded by a character he's writing/controlling? That's not even mentioning that She-Hulk is not exactly a cosmic level character.
So one can easily differentiate the tone between the Sensational She-Hulk series and the Eternals series to come to the conclusion that the She Hulk shouldn't be taken seriously while the Eternals should.
And there are other implications that he isn't.
Similar to how in other instances, TOAA is a character based on absolute fiction.
the Spider-man instance.
Among others. Like the time when TOAA declared that the infinity gems shouldn't be used in unison. There wasn't any indication that he's a real world writer. Well actually there wasn't any indication before FF #511 anyway (sure, there are multiple instances across Marvel titles where real writers manifested in comic books, but they weren't exactly considered TOAA; only after the FF issue were writers and the supreme being, by the name of TOAA, were equated to be the same being.
"All high Fulcrum" kind of implies that he is higher than everyone. Similar to how the one above all implies that he is above everyone.
Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
TOAA did not appear in Marvel the End though opr.
Also, HOTI couldn't fix the flaw but we all know HOTI isn't literally TOAA. (HOTI is not the writers/artists)
Also, they gave Thanos HOTI so we can enjoy a good story. (but HOTI is really ink on paper to TOAA)
No. I believe it's a powerful cosmic directly related to Celestials/Watchers/Horde,
with a Kibiesk feel to the look of the character to pay homage/tribute to Kirby. (creator of Celestials etc)
Yet, while it is a powerful cosmic, imo, it is not TOAA. At-least not based on the evidence I've seen so far.
I don't do (or acknowledge) DC.
LT was more powerful than the IG.
LT having to determine that, is Starlin giving us reference to how powerful the IG was.
But the IG is nothing but paper and ink to TOAA. (LT empowered is only significant within the confines of TOAA's canvas)
So, when I see TOAA being taken advantage of by their artwork, it's not to be taken seriously.
(or classic She-Hulk > LT + omniverse)
Otherwise, if it's a serious setting, then imo it's not TOAA.
Exactly my point.
Obviously this is a joke, how can TOAA (the writer) be equalled by a character he's writing/controlling?
So, we agree.
I respectfully disagree.
I remember.
I know that issue well. There's at-least 4 separate instances where clearly it's TOAA (writer) portrayed as the bum.
Here, Peter asks TOAA to Re-Write his history, so that uncle Ben, Gwen, her father,
Harry and even aunt May, (who was now in a coma dying) could all live.
TOAA looks at Peter with impossibility in its eyes.
Why? Because this isn't changing the context of a single story, withIN a single book,
this would involve over 50 years of print and 1000s of Spidey books in real life
that would have to be wished away, and well, in the real world, that's impossible.
IIRC, Fulcrum's story was supposed to be a biblical analogue, and if you've read Morrison's Superman Beyond issues and compare it to Gaiman's work in general, you'll see that the latter is arguably better in terms of quality.
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