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Remember Revan schearching the star forge as a sith lord?
Remember than there is a star map on Korriban?
Remember than Revan meet the apprentice of Exar Kun there?
Remember how thirsty of Knowledge Revan is?
Well Tulak hord possess an holocron where he record allhis technic and explain how to master all the forms....
Kreia to the exile :
We do not know. But it is assumed that he created a holocron to teach his technique to other Sith. This holocron should be in his tomb. Unfortunately, the tomb of Tulak Hord was one of the first to be plundered by the profane of the new Sith Order. If this holocron survived, I doubt anyone knows where he is.
Revan just read the Holocron.... He never take it.. Like every holocron in Korriban, in the purpuse to found his new sith academmy...
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Zannah wasn't a trained duelist during that time period.
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This is based on what? Malak lost his face in a lightsaber duel with Revan.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
As far as assessing skill goes (as hilariously stupid as it is to try in fictional media anyway)?
Accolades and A>B>C logic are really some of the few ways of actually doing it (hell the PT shines so much solely due to them possessing some of the best dueling accolades. Have fun determining skill without those :maybe).
Hord and Kas'im have accolades, Hord's dueling being espoused as better than those of the KOTOR era Jedi/Sith even
^As far as Word of God is concerned too? Her assessment was fairly spot on.
Though as I say in the quoted post? You're free to take it as you will.
Ignoring it will probably amuse me more honestly.
Kas'im has that thing about being a master of all styles or some shit. Don't remember it exactly.
Bane's defeated people with some decent accolades in his era too.
Being so fond of Nexii as you are? I suppose that doesn't click in your head.
That being said, not my job to help you figure out that being amplified by a nexus is hardly going to help your skill. Products of precision brought about by increasing muscle memory is sort of something I don't foresee more energy to draw from increasing :maybe
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Zannah's not even a viable candidate, as she doesn't even know how to use a lightsaber by the end of the Seventh Battle of Ruusan.
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
Kas'im unless I'm missing something has nothing other than Bane's opinion, and is entirely beneath some of the guys being discussed. Raskta has an accolade but lacks the feats to be put on here aside from her amped showing, and Bane himself has no feats comparing to Kun, Revan, Ulic, or Malgus. Bane has only beaten a Sith trainee in terms of sheer skill and fought evenly with Zannah, who beat no one of note at all.
The TOR era generally focuses more on power than skill, so the list will probably be a lot shorter than say the PT era
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Like I said, Kas'im I didn't remember too well. If it was mostly Bane's opinion?
That's fair enough.
As for Raskta?
I already told you, accolades and A>B>C logic are some of the only ways to gauge skill (though I'd argue blocking blaster bolts and force lightning might be some of the few feat based ways that don't require A>B>C logic). That falls apart once you leave the series you're discussing too.
If he only held those accolades by virtue of his amp (which via battle meditation is one of the few ways skill DOES increase with more energy), that's fair.
Otherwise? His accolades are fine, if not untested and holding less weight compared to someone with similar accolades and more feats to his name.
Actual showings of skill >> accolades >> personal assessments. The guys listed i,e Kun, Malgus, Ulic, Revan, etc all have established showings and accolades to substantiate them, so A,B,C logic is entirely unnecessary to determine their placement. Kas'im and Raskta have showings that are entirely compromised by being amped, their or rather Raskta's and Hord's accolades are entirely meaningless unless they have showings to back them up. Bane himself had circumstances fighting them being amped and killing Kas'im with nexus energy (not skill) and fighting Raskta with armor and a nexus amp. He doesnt rank solely for the reason that his dueling feats arent by virtue of his own skill
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I'd advise against listening to carthage on this CT. He hates the Bane era for some bizarre reason. And a lot of pre-PT stuff too.
Kas'im's skill is notable because he utterly mastered every aspect of lightsaber combat, invented thousands of moves and sequences for them and spent decades purely perfecting the art of lightsaber dueling.
Lol. i dont hate the Bane era, you and other posters wank it beyond belief. Kas'im's knowledge of forms mean nothing, he has no feats to compare to some of the duelists being discussed.
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There's the unambiguous stuff like precision deflection of blaster bolts and being able to block force lightning at all
What's left then? What I mentioned above are kind of not super common.
I suppose killing hords of people helps too, though only if they swarm you en masse
Kun and Ulic thrive off the accolade of being master lightsaber duelists and defeating similarly skilled duelists in kind.
Revan? I can give you his storming the Star Forge, defeating Malak (a ****er reliant mostly on accolades), and for blocking Vitiate's lightning.
Malgus? I can't actually comment on without playing TOR
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That is some bizarre as hell logic honestly
So what if Raskta was amped? If the accolade was speaking of amped Raskta, you have a point
If not? His accolade stands
Kas'im? Your stance holds more water depending on his accolades only being due to Bane's personal opinion.
Amped? You can't amplify skill by gorging on more power. Battle Meditation is a special skill that can do that solely through effecting your mind.
Skill is precision born of muscle memory, you don't gain more precision by introducing more energy into the system.
Well, I'm certainly happy with the amusement outright ignoring word of god supporting Hord's accolades produced :maybe
Far be it for you to want to accept a historical character with little screen time being more skillful than those that actually have it.
Given "I don't like it" is really you're only viable rebuttal here.
Raskta's? They're important, but hold less weight than those possessing the same accolade, but with more feats to their name. Even then, the feats would need to be of some actual substance and significance to actually draw a distinction.
The way the fight with Kas'im ended doesn't invalidate how the fight was going before Kas'im employed Jar Kai
You're also going to need to dredge up some compelling evidence that drawing on outside energy enhances your precision and muscle memory too before you can start shouting "Nexus" regarding Bane too.
Moderately fair point with Raskta vs Bane, as Bane could afford to be sloppy with most of his body given his armor.
Not entirely so, but one of the few you bring up that bothers to be compelling.
I'm not
Not for those reasons you mentioned, more so because he has no actual clue what he's talking about
Skill's a ***** to quantify in general, accolades are one of the few reliable ways to actually do it. It's more or less the only reason the PT era sits pretty.
Though I'd say Mace deflecting Sidious' force lightning is one of the best skill feats in the mythos that doesn't rely on A>B>C logic
Last edited by ChaosTheory123 on Feb 17th, 2015 at 01:27 AM
A good case to counter Kas'im is Anoon Bondara. His lightsaber skill was considered second to none by many in the PT. Bane's perspective isn't enough to establish Kas'im as an elite duelist. Qui-Gon Jinn humbled Anoon, while Darth Maul was seconds from killing him after solidly outfighting him. The fact that Kas'im perfected thousands of sequences of saber moves is impressive and he is surely technically skilled, but that isn't enough to credit him with being a high tier duelist.
Feb 16th, 2015 02:32 PM
