Even if we assume feats/powers from alternate universes DO align with their 616 counterparts, Adam still isn't even remotely close to Mxy's level.
IF he ends up effortlessly destroying the Marvel continuum in its totality(past/present/future), and recreating it all with a gesture, I will agree with him being in Mxy's tier. Until then, beating the abstracts/cosmics of a single universe isn't even in the same ballpark as Mxy.
Mxy beat Corrigan-Spectre numerous times during that story. EJ also warped the Spectre-Force itself to his whims.
I have explained this to you before: we have seen Mxy restore the whole of DC comics with a snap of his fingers, so the fact that it took him 5 hours to repair the damage Emperor Joker caused to reality just goes to show you how extensive/all-encompassing that damage was...
As was noted in the arc itself: Joker's inept manipulations of reality ripped the fundamental fabric of existence so extensively that the damage to creation was nearly irreversible. Of course, Mxy was still able to repair said damage(he's as adept as it gets)--it just took him longer than normal, is all.
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... a friendly discussion, wonderful.
All Spectres in WF were clowns you gotta admit though.
One of them was even struggling pulling a tanker in the water.
I don't know what that entails old friend.
I mean Spectre, sent by his "boss," got stomped with a planet to the dome piece. (isn't that "backed" Spectre btw?)
That's a cool analyzation of "why" it took Mxy 5 hours, perhaps yur right ...
but its iyo why writers didn't use WF Mxy levels in EJ's arc no? Just being thorough.
Isn't there another speculative perspective that says:
Mxy doesn't have "uncreation/recreation multiversal+ finger snapping" power in all stories?
Like all those other stories? ... Well .. that other (WF) story at-least.
I understand.
Imo, had the Joker writers taken into consideration WF Mxy feats,
Mxy would not have been laboring to fix that Dimension in the Emperor Joker's story..
'erase multiversal+ space-time, then recreate said multiversal+ space-time, with a snap'
That's cartoonish 'wishes become reality' type power in WF . EJ arc was bit more serious.
@Galan ... this isn't really a "debate" good friend,
I'm just focusing on would-be nicks and crannies to patch up any possible holes in Mxy's story.
I'm feeding off of your knowledge so I do always appreciate the friendly responses.
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I'm not sure the heart was in that Adam's universe, or, at-least that hasn't been mentioned,
if there was an alternate heart, (which would be weird)
we don't know if Adam absorbed his universe after his Thanos had erased the heart like in 616.
Assuming events played out exactly the same as in 616 at that point, until when ever they changed.
Exactly where that Adam stands right now is something of a mystery.
But there is no doubt he is far beyond "universal."
He's already travelled outside his universe, across universeS in fact,
and he is god-like Adam where ever he goes.
Adam handled Eternity and Infinity like puppets, and they themselves are at-least "universal" entities.
Adam entered 616, and he immediately became cosmically aware of all things in 616.
He has uber beastly power, and this is just the beginning, as he is learning.
If you read the arc, Adam just wishes for things to be, and they are.
He seems to be completely immortal too.
He was vaporized when he manifested in-front of the original Big Bang taking place,
He never lost consciousness, and immediately reformed his body effortlessly.
Adam has a replicated 616 inside him. Every entity and item/weapon.
As we know, not everyone within a universe, has to be less than universal,
there are more than some characters that are universal threats and even universal powers within 616,
heck, even multiversal threats. (not many, but they out there)
It was still Spectre nonetheless, and Mxy killed him multiple times, across every single universe/reality/timeline/dimension in DC... Even Bat-Mite(a tiny fraction of Mxy's power) killed Spectre, and could obliterate universes easily: http://i.imgur.com/UElei9x.jpg
I'm just saying that Mxy warped the Spectre-Force itself. ie. he overtook the Spectre entity(God's wrath/vengeance personified), before transforming it into a parakeet and stuffing it inside a birdcage: http://i.imgur.com/yim87uA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MaULuSG.jpg
And again: that's what a n00b can do with Mxy's powers. Lol.
This isn't just my opinion. Spectre literally stated that the damage Joker caused to reality via his inept manipulations was nearly irreversible: http://i.imgur.com/yim87uA.jpg
Ergo it taking an adept(ie. Mxy) 5 hours to repair said damage.
Sidenote: the above scene is when we found out that Joker's tangent was multiversal. Couple that with this scene from very early in the arc: http://i.imgur.com/p1nLPb3.jpg
...And We know that it was multi-dimensional as well.
Mxy was rarely used in pre-Flashpoint continuity, and most of those times he was used in a very minor fashion. So I'd guess feats from WF weren't mentioned because they were never really relevant to the story at hand... Not to mention that it seemed like Mxy erased all traces of that little fiasco. You have to remember, for the most part Mxy wasn't some evil/malevolent entity--he just liked to occasionally play benign little games with Superman here and there.
When he let loose, however, we saw what he could do. Hell, when Mxy took on his 'evil twins' persona, he demonstrated the ability to formally retcon characters, ffs: http://i.imgur.com/f29ccTG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JsAgAIX.jpg
...Which is just crazy. Literally no other character can do this kind of shit, lol.
We also know he can hop into ANY universe/dimension/timeline that has ever existed in DC's history(even spin-off/alternate realities): http://i.imgur.com/S7760oA.jpg
But again, that kind of high-end stuff usually isn't what Mxy likes to do(it's just not fun for him lol.) However, multiple references to Mxy's omnipotence and whatnot have been made over the years. Here's one such reference: http://i.imgur.com/ZwONI06.jpg "He's a being of infinite power..."
Mxy told us in the EJ arc itself that he doesn't typically go about destroying/warping reality because it's not fun for him: http://i.imgur.com/9xsMoUN.jpg
Mxy: "I actually grasp the concept that if you obliterate reality, then there's nobody left to play with!"
As mentioned above: Joker's damage was harder to fix than 'normal' because his inept manipulations of reality were nigh-irreversible: http://i.imgur.com/yim87uA.jpg
So the fact that Mxy could repair reality at all is a feat in itself.
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