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You keep missing the point and are now accepting make believe concessions as a cowardly way to parachute out of this thread. Tell me now and be honest if I challenged you to an actual judged debate in which you couldn't run from me. Would you man up and accept or attempt to flee like Palpatine when Yoda force pushed him.
I'm not missing any point. I already posted the quote which reflects conceptualization of Palpatine by the creators. It's not just "an opinion". And it's supported by other quotes, at least as far as Canon goes. I believe Yoda's equality quotes are all from Legends, which is conflicted on the issue.
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Hakf the quotes just reflected that Yoda lost which he did. You conflate words for other meanings to suit your agenda. If you think you're hiding your agenda well you're not. We see the power display between the two. Yoda clearly matches him and the force from the released after effect knocks them both backwards but Yoda was in a worse position hence he lost. He's an idiot.
Anyways, the first few quotes are indisputable. There's no twisting required. Most of the others say that Palpatine overwhelmed him, not that Yoda was equal but lost due to positioning.
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Ok let's do this quote by quote then. You use one quote at a time so we can specifically debate them. Acting like your interpretation is the only one is simply absurd.
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One at a time.
He does have to be more powerful than the Jedi through the dark side. This isn't to be taken literally though. This doesn't compare him to any specific Jedi let alone Yoda. When debating specificity matters.
Should I proceed with the next quote or would you like the chance to rebut my masterful/logical response.
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The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.
I agree he reached the limits of his strength but the backlash hit them both. Palpatine winced back as well when Yoda exerted himself. If Palpatine was truly more powerful Yoda wouldn't be able to redirect the force and been completely overwhelmed.
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Yes, Palpatine is he was further on the pod while Yoda was closer to the edge hence the positioning. Do you think you're the only one who saw the duel ? Why do you continue to misrepresent it ?
Again we really need to stop clinging to generalised quotes from executives and producers, and at least go by specifics.
Like Lucas's quote "you have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor" was very specific in terms of which Jedi have a chance against him. Saying "Sidious has got to be more powerful then the Jedi is far too generalised. Saying Maul would lose to Vader is very specific. Saying Maul is "classically" trained is a bit more of a general description regarding Maul's level of training.
Then of course we know Lucas was Mr.Canon at the time. No other single Exec or Producer's words can be treated as Gospel like that. Unless they say this is what they discussed with Lucas in the past or with the Story Group in the present (assuming we believe them).
Now the Datbank is an actual canonical source. However the fight in the film itself ("primary source" for those kids who've studied history) in no way showed Palpatine was clearly Yoda's superior in combat, or in the Force. But did show Palpatine managing to come out on top Regardless.
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I said the novel doesn't depict it the same way as the film, lmfao.
You've officially conceded.
Well, Gillard also ranks Palpatine over Yoda, but that aside, it's clear that McCallum is saying that Sidious is more powerful than any of the Jedi. There's no other interpretation, lol, unless you think he means that Palpatine is more powerful than the entire Jedi Order combined.
Even if he said that I still wouldn't take it literally unless he specifically mentioned lines of he most powerful Jedi by name.
I just wouldn't look too much into general statements like that. Feats count first and foremost, then the data banks, and then exec/producer statements, but preferably very specific and clear ones in their case. Like the type Gillard makes with specific rankings for each character.
You can't dismiss something on the basis of it not being specific. Other than that, the context of the quote would mean that McCallum is definitely placing Sidious above Mace Windu (and the rest of the B-team) with respect to power, which, when coupled with Gillard's tiering system, makes it blatantly obvious that Sidious > Mace anyway.
Well because their words are not necessarily canon. Of course it's good to get an idea of creator intentions. But end of the day, they're just talking and they're only human. So unlike the Databank or other canon sources, It's not something they're writing down and then later editing to perfection.
Yes that seems to be what Rick was implying. Gillard definitely implied that.
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