"Again, Adam was talking and Hyperion snuck him in the face."
Um BM said his piece, and finished. Hyperion responded...then attacked with a punch.
BM then blocked Hyperion's' vision power while warning him.
Then Hyperion delivers another punch, grabs him, slams him...and stomps him.
Fight over. Hyperion turns his attention to civilians...and BM recovers.
Stop already with the "sneak" punch narrative as if BM was taken totally off guard and wasn't just beaten up.
"Not the way a forum match would begin. Pay attention to the rules of engagement."
Irrelevant...Supreme is STILL superior to BM by feats, and as for the "rules"...this is what the post says:
Plutonian+Genis vell+supreme
Vs
Silver surfer+sentry+blue marvel
So...I fail to see how that effects the facts of the characters..
"I'm at work. I'll respond later."
Nothing will have changed by then...unless you have some scans backing up your claim that BM can do to Supreme what Quantum did...or that Supreme's power to adapt and know BM powers somehow won't work...or that Supreme really isn't twice as strong as Gladiator.
I'll wait.
That isn't the way a forum match works. Or do you begin a battle when one person is speaking while the other is punching. I'm starting to wonder about you and why it seems beyond you to understand this hard point?
Adam was in fact speaking, and the dialog mentions that this was a mistake on his part because he was being cocky. This means that he wasn't fully aware that King Hyperion was going to act.
I don't need any scans bozo, we both know what happened. King Hyperion was unable to get back up after Adam assaulted him, while Adam was able to get up quickly after being assaulted by King Hyperion. If this were a boxing match, Adam would have won by way of Knock Out. Do you get it now?
How is Supreme superior to Blue Marvel by feats? You'd better make this good because I'm pretty sure that I know more about Supreme than most posters here. Who did Supreme face in all of his years that makes you make this statement? When he faced a true challenge he failed miserably twice, and nearly paid for it with his life. Quantum was one, and Darque was 2 during the Image/Valiant crossover. Who did Supreme beat that gives him better feats? No one.
Sentry in a far weaker form held Genis, he's far more powerful these days, and should effectively spank his ass.
Surfer is the only one that may not be able to finish as he'd be up against the Plutonian, but again, Adam would wreck Supreme, and Sentry would choke the shit out of Genis.
"That isn't the way a vs match works. Or do you begin a battle when one person is speaking while the other is punching.and why it seems beyond you to understand this hard point?"
Stop.
BM spoke. Hyperion spoke back...then attacked.
What do NOT have here is a situation where BM was speaking and in the middle of his speech, got sucker punched.
Here it is...plain as day.
"Adam was in fact speaking, and the dialog mentions that this was a mistake on his part because he was being cocky. This means that he wasn't fully aware that King Hyperion was going to act."
No...the scan says clearly he thought he was unstoppable, hence the cockiness...not that he didn't think Hyperion would act, but that any act he could handle.
"I don't need any scans , we both know what happened. King Hyperion was unable to get back up after Adam assaulted him, while Adam was able to get up quickly after being assaulted by King Hyperion. If this were a boxing match, Adam would have won by way of Knock Out. Do you get it now?"
Quickly is relative...but BM was DEFEATED...#fact.
"How is Supreme superior to Blue Marvel by feats? You'd better make this good because I'm pretty sure that I know more about Supreme than most posters here"
Then you know Supreme can survive inside stars unharmed.
You know Supreme can adapt to his opponents.
You know Supreme can use his power to know what the powers are and how they work of his opponent.
How about a slam so hard the effects can be seen from space...?
BM do that...?
"Who did Supreme face in all of his years that makes you make this statement? When he faced a true challenge he failed miserably twice, and nearly paid for it with his life. Quantum was one, and Darque was 2 during the Image/Valiant crossover. Who did Supreme beat that gives him better feats? No one."
A fallacious argument because it relies on those people that Supreme faced to have been "weak"...and obviously, they were not.
If you want a comparison you can grasp, look no further than Supreme vs Gladiator...and see who had the upper hand, as you'd expect since Supreme was twice as powerful as Kallark.
"Sentry in a far weaker form held Genis, he's far more powerful these days, and should effectively spank his ass."
I'm not discussing Sentry vs Supreme...so an irrelevant point to BM vs Supreme.
"Surfer is the only one that may not be able to finish as he'd be up against the Plutonian,"
Irrelevant to BM vs Supreme.
"but again, Adam would wreck Supreme, and Sentry would choke the shit out of Genis."
You have given ZERO evidence to support that BM would "wreck" Supreme....in fact, it seems quite clear now that BM would actually lose badly given the power level, power set, and feats of Surpeme.
"I saw the video. Adam was talking and Hyperion blitzed him. DID you miss that part?"
BM FINISHED talking. Hyperion responded with dialogue...then hit him.
Of course...this was AFTER BM observed Hyperion via video and was told Hyperion's power level was 12. (please log in to view the image)
1. Read the forum rules of engagement. The scene in question, which you've finally admitted to be a sucker punch, would not happen in a forum setting. It shows King Hyperion blitzing Adam, which stunned him, and he then proceeded to exploit the sneak attack, (which in this case was the sucker punch) by continuing his assault... I repeat he proceeded to exploit the sneak attack by continuing to assault Adam. If Superman himself was on the receiving end of that assault when caught off guard, he too would have tasted the dirt.
2. Let's get into the tenacity, durability, strength, and all around toughness of these two characters, and which one possesses more. We see Adam rise seconds later from what a level headed person would judge as one of the cheapest forms of attack in comic book history. So you are wrong that Adam was beaten. If he was beaten, he wouldn't have been able to get back up from taking a beating from a Gladiator level opponent. But, then he assaults King Hyperion and King Hyperion is unable to get back up. What this tells us is that, if... IF there was no sneak attack ("Sucker Punch") Adam would have dominated King Hyperion, based on the very fact that King Hyperion did not show the ability to weather Adam's assault, while Adam was able to weather King Hyperion's assault. So with all of the evidence that you provided, we know that Adam would win a forum match if pitted against an opponent of this level.
3. Was Adam supposed to tank the sucker punch? Name a few top tier characters that would have tanked it?
Also, it would be great if you stopped copying and pasting what I write, everyone can see my posts so the redundancy isn't necessary.
Name all of the top tiers that Supreme walked on throughout his history as an Image Comic book character. Stop hiding. Look for the entire fight that he had with Master Darque in the Deathnote crossover, look for the entire fight that he had with Quantum, look at his fights with Image Comics Thor, a weaker Thor than 616's Thor due to a Mjolnir that was easily stolen, look for his fight against Brigade which was composed of low to mid metas. You know what you'll see? You'll see that Supreme is a King Hyperion level threat, and as I've proven Adam is above this threat level per on panel evidence.
"The scene in question, which you've finally admitted to be a sucker punch,"
Quite the opposite. I said:
>>>Stop.
BM spoke. Hyperion spoke back...then attacked.
What we do NOT have here is a situation where BM was speaking and in the middle of his speech, got sucker punched.
Here it is...plain as day.<<<
"would not happen in a forum setting. It shows King Hyperion blitzing Adam, which stunned him, and he then proceeded to exploit the sneak attack, (which in this case was the sucker punch) by continuing his assault..."
No...BM took the punch, got up and BLOCKED heat vision with a force field WHILE warning Hyperion.
This narrative you have that BM was suckered and had no defense or cognitive response is a fallacy.
"I repeat he proceeded to exploit the sneak attack by continuing to assault Adam."
There was no "sneak"...they were having a conversation...so nobody was snuck.
"If Superman himself was on the receiving end of that assault when caught off guard, he too would have tasted the dirt."
By "off guard" you mean observe your opponent prior to engaging them, get stats on their power levels, confront and speak to them listen to their response...then get hit because you felt you were invincible and above their power...?
Listen to yourself.
LOOK at the scan.
BM warns the people then blocks heat vision while issuing a warning to Hyperion. He is NOT laid out dazed and confused from the punch while Hyperion presses after a "sucker's punch"
The scan disputes your narrative.
So....Hyperion was sneak attacked here....? He has to be according to you since he was in the middle of a monologue when BM's attack happened...LOL!
Think about it now...you are creating this corner for yourself.
"Let's get into the tenacity, durability, strength, and all around toughness of these two characters, and which one possesses more. We see Adam rise seconds later from what a level headed person would judge as one of the cheapest forms of attack in comic book history."
Uh no. Cheap would have been if Hyperion attacked BM without BM having any idea he was in a situation.
Like...he's saving someone and Hyperion hits him from behind type stuff.
What we have here is BM CONFRONTING Hyperion AFTER observing him and getting a read on his power level....LOL
"So you are wrong that Adam was beaten."
BM says so himself...so you are willfully ignoring the book.
"If he was beaten, he wouldn't have been able to get back up from taking a beating from a Gladiator level opponent."
So...to be beaten in a fight means you can't recover and heal...? Do tell.
"But, then he assaults King Hyperion and King Hyperion is unable to get back up"
Correct....but according to your definition of events, Hyperion was "sneak" attacked...LOL!
"What this tells us is that, if... IF there was no sneak attack ("Sucker Punch") Adam would have dominated King Hyperion, based on the very fact that King Hyperion did not show the ability to weather Adam's assault, while Adam was able to weather King Hyperion's assault."
Or...since Hyperion did no "sneak" BM since BM was the one that initiated contact with prior observation AND took the punch which did NOT prevent him from mounting an effective defense against heat vision....that Hyperion didn't have the same healing and recovery as BM.
"So with all of the evidence that you provided, we know that Adam would win a vs match if pitted against an opponent of this level."
No...with the evidence I provided we know Hyperion was strong enough to beat BM...and BM was also strong enough to beat Hyperion, their only real difference was recovery.
I'd say that makes them about even...and someone like Supreme, who is twice as powerful as Gladiator, is likely also above BM...despite the fact you have provided ZERO to show BM is above Supreme's level.
"Was Adam supposed to tank the sucker punch? Name a few top tier characters that would have tanked it?"
Uh...yeah, he tanked it
He warned civilians and got up and mounted a defense to the next attack.
I'd say that punch was NOT a finisher at all.
I'd say punching THROUGH the force filed...being choked and slammed..then stomped, was the finisher. (please log in to view the image)
"Name all of the top tiers that Supreme walked on throughout his history as an Image Comic book character. Stop hiding. Look for the entire fight that he had with Master Darque in the Deathnote crossover, look for the entire fight that he had with Quantum, look at his fights with Image Comics Thor, a weaker Thor than 616's Thor due to a Mjolnir that was easily stolen, look for his fight against Brigade which was composed of low to mid metas. You know what you'll see? You'll see that Supreme is a King Hyperion level threat, and as I've proven Adam is above this threat level per on panel evidence."
I'll do one better....I'll present that Supreme IS twice as powerful as Gladiator and PROVED it by knocking Kallark around for most of the book.
I'll SHOW that by this scan where he slams Kalark so hard the impact effect can be seen from space...and Kallark is a limp rag in his hands.... (please log in to view the image)
I'll SHOW Supreme destroy a planet...casually, a feat you have NOT shown to be duplicated by either BM or King Hyperion.
See...I'm SHOWING him ABOVE their level...
I'll SHOW Supreme adapt his body to information about his opponent....which you CANNOT show won't work on BM (not that he would need to since he is already above BM)...
I'll SHOW Supreme s arch nemesis tell us what we already know...that Supreme can adapt to threats (which BM is not) and overcome them... (please log in to view the image)
best you concede now
Last edited by AlbertoJohnAvil on Aug 13th, 2019 at 02:37 AM
I've actually won. Stop raising your arms. Walls of text will not allow you to hide the fact that Adam, Sentry, and Surfer at full capacity would ultimately win this. Your inability to admit that if it went punch for punch between Adam And Hyperion would result in Adam destroying Hype is your failing.we saw on panel proof on which one is superior. The rest is just circular arguments.
I just SHOWED Superior feats from Supreme that has YET TO BE duplicated by BM
He destroyed a planet CASUALLY, CAN ADAPT, HAS Shown to know the powers/abilities of other beings which can be done to BM, etc... YOU didn't ADDRESS ANY Of that LOL? How did you win LMAO?
Explain how the rest is "circular" arguments. bruh i literally destroyed your whole argument on the hyperion/bm fight.
A no limit fallacy is in play. Omni Man shot that text down. Stop pretending as if Supreme has a chance in hell here. If he hasn't encountered it yet, which he hasn't, he has no immunity to it. I don't have the time to read your walls of text. I'm at work. I'll have to get back to this much later.
I've already proven Supreme is superior...with (hold on to your seat), scan evidence. Omni-Man doesn't change this.
"If he hasn't encountered it yet, which he hasn't, he has no immunity to it."
1.) Tell that to Skyraker.
2.) You have no idea what he has encountered in his travels through space.
Here's a funny story for anyone interested in it. I ran the Blue Marvel vs King Hyperion scenario across to my co-workers, which consisted of 1 Chemical Engineer, 4 Machinist's, 1 Mechanical Engineer, and 1 Welder. They all agreed that the last man standing was the winner. That happened to be Blue Marvel. One guy even said that anyone saying otherwise is either trying extremely hard to be contrary, or that they're just not very bright, because the answer is obvious. Weird huh?
so far all i see are arguments about BM fighting supreme and what not, are we gonna sit and ignore the picture shown for Sentry is just straight god mode?
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