Originally posted by batdude123
See to me that right there should also be limited. I don't care if they are linked to Quasar, I still don't think there should be like 100 different construct running around for us to fight off. Same goes for a GL. They have been known to create armies with their rings. Even connected constructs should be limited to like 10-15 or something like that.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Honestly, if people would just look at the conditions that a GL, Quasar, and Shaman have to meet in order to create constructs/golums I think everyone would realize that this isn't that big of an issue. 😬
Originally posted by Khellendros
I think independent Quasar constructs, if TRULY independent, should be included in this idea. If not, then it doesn't apply.
That's the thing. Ban the golems, then the constructs come up. Ban magic, and Thor comes up. Pretty soon we're giving ourselves more trouble than we need.
You guys are making this WAY harder than it needs to be. The golems aren't consequential enough to be a huge factor. If Blair/newjak were going to win or lose, the golems won't be the deciding factor....bigger sh*t will. No one nit-picked me about Loki's sentient dragons making it more than the 1-v-1 amalgam battle last time. And I obviously didn't win the tourney because of it. If you have a large-scale gripe, fine. But no more dissecting Shaman's bag of tricks to try and make him a parlor magician.
We have the number limitation on them. That's as far as I'm going.
And Shaman's been in for a while. Please live with it. I'm not entirely happy with magic but to retcon all magic now would be disingenuous to the whole tourney process. Now everyone should just go make a sweet strategy with their own people so it doesn't matter if there's magic or not.
Uhh, what? I don't WANT to ban constructs, OR Shaman, or ANYTHING. No one is arguing that O_o. My point is, giving them the same protection that you do the team members who made them breaks one of YOUR OWN RULES. It basically makes it an eight member team. It doesn't MATTER if they're inconsequential, or dumb, or weak. They move on their own, attack on their own, and are protected as if they were part of a team. That is unfair.
Originally posted by Khellendros
Uhh, what? I don't WANT to ban constructs, OR Shaman, or ANYTHING. My point is, giving them the same protection that you do the team memebers who made them breaks one of YOUR OWN RULES.
Exactly. If we have more constructs capable of independent movement and independent thought, that's essentially like adding more characters to the fight thus breaking the 3 vs. 3 rule.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
You guys are making this WAY harder than it needs to be. The golems aren't consequential enough to be a huge factor. If Blair/newjak were going to win or lose, the golems won't be the deciding factor....bigger sh*t will. No one nit-picked me about Loki's sentient dragons making it more than the 1-v-1 amalgam battle last time. And I obviously didn't win the tourney because of it. If you have a large-scale gripe, fine. But no more dissecting Shaman's bag of tricks to try and make him a parlor magician.We have the number limitation on them. That's as far as I'm going.
He DID address the issue you guys were talking about 😐
Originally posted by Blair Wind
He DID address the issue you guys were talking about 😐
Originally posted by Khellendros
That doesn't address the point we're making. At all. All he did was simply repeat what others have said, that since they're weak and dumb, they don't matter. But they DO matter, I don't care how strong they are or aren't, as of now they are getting treated like five more members of the team.
Exactly. ✅ Either leave them out completely, or add five other brick characters to the opposing team (or use some kind of power outside of the power cap). ✅
Originally posted by DigiMark007
That's the thing. Ban the golems, then the constructs come up. Ban magic, and Thor comes up. Pretty soon we're giving ourselves more trouble than we need.You guys are making this WAY harder than it needs to be. The golems aren't consequential enough to be a huge factor. If Blair/newjak were going to win or lose, the golems won't be the deciding factor....bigger sh*t will. No one nit-picked me about Loki's sentient dragons making it more than the 1-v-1 amalgam battle last time. And I obviously didn't win the tourney because of it. If you have a large-scale gripe, fine. But no more dissecting Shaman's bag of tricks to try and make him a parlor magician.
We have the number limitation on them. That's as far as I'm going.
And Shaman's been in for a while. Please live with it. I'm not entirely happy with magic but to retcon all magic now would be disingenuous to the whole tourney process. Now everyone should just go make a sweet strategy with their own people so it doesn't matter if there's magic or not.
JUST BAN SHAMAN !!!!
Jesus christ , save yourselves all this trouble and ban the twit now.....
I realise a lot of you don't know me.... but here's my interpretation:
Shaman's rock guys = fine, because they're fairly slow and even the X-Men can put them down (you guys are using herald types for craps sake)
Matter Manipulation is allowed under the conditions that it isn't used directly on the opposing teams characters - there are no limits about using it to transform anything else in, on or above the battlefield
Rock guys, GL or Quasar constructs are not team members - therefore you can transmute them into dust whenever you want (if you can prove that your guy can do that to begin with)
Battle Field Removal (BFR) is banned under all conditions whether it be of characters, constructs or aspects of the location itself
Shaman is limited to how many things he can have running around and they don't seem like that much of a problem anyway (so far)
Digimark tells us about another tourney featuring dragon constructs.... and how they didn't seem to help at all - they obviously weren't banned there .... and most of the limits seem to have been the same for that tourney as they are for this one
If i was in this i wouldn't have a huge problem with anything that's been mentioned up 'til now
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hmmm Eth was on today....not sure why he didnt pick a second character.We really need our eighth team to get a character AND a partner 😬
Actually, he PM'd me, saying that KVD and Khell would be taking his team's spot.
I'm fine with it, but asked him to confirm it again in case he had changed his mind. In the meantime, Khell and KVD have Black Bolt, and are welcome to make another pick.