This isn't to any one person but just a reminder for everybody to keep things civil. I know Phoenix threads tend to get a bit . Don't make me come back here and start to everybody.
Erik is right, and this is coming from past classes I took in my engineering college(Foundations of Computations and Set Theory, Linear Algebra). It doesn't mean that there are levels of infinity, that contradicts the definition entirely. To add to that, there is an infinite set of complex numbers, decimal numbers, and irrational numbers, but they are all a subset of the number superset. Also, Cantor's theory was based on the Continuum theorem. You have to also know the definition of cardinality to understand the theorem. Cardinality is the number of members in a set/subset. For example, take the universe and multiverse. There is an infinite set of Dimensions in the Marvel 616 universe right? There is also an infinite set of Dimensions in the Marvel multiverse. So let the 616 universe dimension set represent the set dA. Now, let the Marvel multiverse dimension set represent the set dB. The cardinality of set dA is infinity, as well as the cardinality of set dB is infinity. This means that there are an infinite number of dimension members in the 616 universe as well as the multiverse. There are no levels to this. This is just a small example.
You're more than welcome to review them for yourself,
also, I can get you referrences to all the books published by these authors,
that way you won't make the mistake of comparing them to comic books writers again.
"German mathematician who founded set theory
and introduced the mathematically meaningful concept of transfinite numbers,
indefinitely large but distinct from one another."
(site dedicated to Physics-Mathematics-Statistics)
"Georg Cantor's achievement in mathematics was outstanding.
He revolutionized the foundation of mathematics with set theory.
Set theory is now considered so fundamental,
that it seems to border on the obvious,
but at its introduction it was controversial and revolutionary.
The controversial element centered around the problem
of whether infinity was a potentiality or could be achieved.
Before Cantor,
it was generally felt that infinity as an actuality did not make sense;
one could only speak of a variable increasing,
without bound as that variable going to infinity.
Cantor not only found a way to make sense out an actual,
as opposed to a potential, infinity, but showed that there are different orders of infinity"
Georg Cantor - Even scholarships are given in this guys name.
"Historians of mathematics can only be grateful,
for the effort Professor Dauben has expended,
to create the synthesis of Cantor scholarship found in this book.
But the book can, and I hope will,
be read with profit by a far more extensive audience.
Any student, mathematician, philosopher, theologian, or general historian,
with an interest in Georg Cantor,
and the wondrous revolution in mathematical and philosophical thought
that his work did so much to precipitate will find this book of considerable interest."
--Thomas Hawkins, Historia Mathematica. One of the greatest revolutions in mathematics occurred,
when Georg Cantor (1845-1918)
promulgated his theory of transfinite sets."
Georg Cantor - "The Man who counted beyond Infinity"
Engines of Ingenuity by John Lienhard, at the University of Houston:
"By the time he was done, Cantor had invented what we call the transfinite numbers -- numbers that go beyond infinity.
And to do that he'd had to invent set theory.
And set theory has become a building block of modern mathematics."
O rly?
So I guess you forgot all about basic Calculus, huh? Because the different levels of infinity argument can be proven by simply taking the limit as the variable(s) approach(es) infinity.
In this case Beyonder equals 1 million x and the Rest of the Multiverse equals x. What is the limit of (1 million x plus or minus a constant)divided by(x plus or minus a constant) as x approaches infinity?
Besides this is hilarious:
This statement is self-contradicting because saying "One infinity contained within another" is simply acknowledging that there are different levels or sets of infinity, making the rest of his argument inconsequential.
Seriously, what the hell is up with people and challenging what a comic book company wants to establish? Showing that such concepts have been proven in the real world shouldn't be even be needed for a comic vs forum debate, but hell you give them proof and they just denounce it as stupid.
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That's because they know next to nothing about Comics,
so they think by spamming threads with personal attacks they'll be noticed.
There's a certain Troll (well several)
but a specific Troll that's been here for a few years doing this,
dude is a hater like no other.
A sad individual who's mission is to discredit, & devalue
everything that true comic book respected members post.
This of course is envy, cause absolutely no one cares what they have to say,
so they continuously attempt to degrade what the poster that IS being listen to says.
There's no greater depiction of a shim (a him who should've been a she) than this.
I didn't want to bring in real world proof,
but I actually enjoyed making them see how they talk to much.
The hatin has gotten out of hand,
and so, the rejection of "levels of infinity" has been thoroughly stomped.
I mean,
Cantor's Theorem is actually acknowledged by PRINCETON University,
as a legitimate concept that's been proven.
Princeton University for crying out loud ...
(amongst all the other distinguished links) I didn't want to post 20 more, but I could have.
Encyclopedia Britannica and so on ...
Scholarship programs in the name of Cantor and so one ...
Like so many books published about the man by respected authors and so on ...
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I never said that,
in fact, what I've been saying is that not only is there infinity,
but there is a greater scale of infinity according to the respected Georg Cantor.
Who literally proved it.
Btw. How could you have missed all those links above? (including to Princeton University)
All those Books written about Cantor and his PROVEN theorem?
And the wikipedia link that relates to your link?
What you're saying below, is what I've been saying all along.
There ya go, thanx.
Marvel's idea of "levels of Infinity" is directly based on Cantor's theorem.
So I suppose we agree.
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This thread is becoming trouble. I have no problem closing it and handing out warnings to people who have been causing the most trouble.
On KMC, on panel comic showings and dialogue trump real World science. It's a fact that a lot that happens in comics isn't sound science in RL. Posting multiple science links is nothing but glorified spam. Name calling is also not called for. Please follow the rules which are clearly posted. I don't want to see any more trouble from this thread. Thanks.
I never use real world anything,
but if I used ON PANEL evidence to support my claim,
and then I get this response:
Is this some kinda joke?
Homeboy is dissing me for using ON PANEL evidence.
Saying Marvel is full of it,
well, then I presented where Marvel has based their idea from,
a Real World PROVEN theorem, so how can they be full of it?
Something Creshosk has to understand,
the guy has a problem with Marvel having an Omniverse,
cause it's not real world sound.
Now you understand the reason.
No doubt, homeboy called me a Troll without provocation
in this thread just a while ago,
over 5 times:
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everybody. 
Feb 19th, 2008 06:09 PM
to you and Erik.
