I see, well that's kinda what the thread was based on, that's why I allowed him to have the magic he needs to amp his strength, but he can't use it for anything else.
Otherwise he just get's pounded.
It's quite impressive that Hulk could probably fare well against a skyfather in a physical match.
If you look closely, Hulk has never really displayed his limitless potential strength in a fight, without some form of outside influence (ala Jean Grey, etc.) He only displays limitless strength when doing something impossible, or that requires insane levels of strength (ala holding apart the matter and antimatter orbs.) He's usually strong enough to match his opponent, and he grows stronger as he fights.
I don't want anyone to think that I believe Hulk to be unbeatable, because that's far from the truth.
That depends on the limits of the Odinpower. Hulk has an energy source that has been confirmed to be infinite. If the Odinpower is equally as infinite, and Hulk, for some reason, is able to tap his limitless source without restriction, it's a draw. If the Odinpower is not infinite, Hulk can overcome Odin.
"can exceed any non-infinite in terms of strength.
"Hulk can exceed Celestial level strength. (he did it twice)"
High end feats. While theyr valid. Skyfathers can increase more.
"Without the Odinpower, this wouldn't be an easy fight for Odin.He's just like Thor, (possibly weaker) and he's a much better fighter. The Odinpower is what makes Odin a Skyfather. Without it, Odin could be defeated in this battle."
This one made me think. Not that " hulk as a chance " because it doesnt. What is a Odin without...Odinpower? Thats him. His own magic. Im not making Hulk a simple human either because thats what he is without gamma radiation.
The difference still being, Odin didnt "won" his powers, he was born with them while Banner earn them due to an accident.
"That depends on the limits of the Odinpower."
So far the Odin power has been used to defeat beings like the Souleater, Infinity, Seth and Surtur. Not to mention galaxy feats and fights. Seems alot to me.
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Skyfathers can increase thier strength to Celestial level? "What are they waiting for?"
Banner didn't earn his powers. He doesn't even want them. It wasn't an accident either. He became the Hulk when he risked his life trying to save a teenager from certain death. The blast of the Gamma Bomb threw Banner's body into a state of interdimensional flux, and connected him to an entire universe of infinite power. The origin of Hulk's power is not of any concern. Is the Odinpower infinite?
"Banner didn't earn his powers. He doesn't even want them. It wasn't an accident either. He became the Hulk when he risked his life trying to save a teenager from certain death"
It was a bad choice of words from my part. Yeah he didnt earned them. Correct.
"Is the Odinpower infinite?"
See examples of what the Odinpower has done in the previous post.
Out of curiosity what was the second time Hulk attained "celestial level"?
"Hulk has greater feats of strength than anone you've mentioned"
Earth based? Better than most yes. There are others that are better tho.
"Carrying Islands? Hulk did it"
I have it. The only difference is it was a desert Island while the one Herc dragged was a populated one. But its a nice feat yeah.
"Smashing planets? Hulk destroyed one twice the size of Earth, one punch"
An asteroid. The rest is correct.
"Odin can destroy a galaxy? That doesn't prove he has infinite power, but since when?"
It should however be easy to see his max his way higher than Hulk, no? Its been showed that the enemies he defeats have power to destroy galaxies. Surtur destroyed one to forge his sword. And still couldnt defeat Odin toe to toe. Infinity, who was a "Odin dark side" was destroying galaxies also. There are other examples.
"All I've seen is you continuing to reiterate that Odin would surpass Hulk without any supporting facts."
Hulk exceeding a Celestial in strenght?When?
Hulk can't exceed any being with incalculable strenght level.
Odin without Odinpower can still cast illusions, and in this fight he gets Gugnir.He can outmatch in hth Hulk with his superior skills and experience while casting around Hulk hundred duplicates of himself, then stab his brain with Gugnir and behead him.
Hulk isn't unbeatable, and regardless his feats of strenght, he has been K.O.ed on various occasions.
The Incredible Hulk: #242, Hulk breaks through the wall that holds the flame of life, which withstood the power of Celestials. Narration states: "He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becoming madder and madder, his strength building with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods! But this is the power of the Hulk! And ultimately, there is no force stronger than the Hulk!"
"gods" its too a general term to let us know which ones are they talking about.
Lastly, it says the device was built to wistand the power of gods. It doesnt say they cant overcome it. Or that theyr strengh wont work. Its one hell of a feat from someone whos not cosmic but it doenst spell its impossible for beings above him.
oh olympian shut it for crying out loud. look ive argued against your strange dissmisiveness of hulks potential and now im afraid either understand or shut it. hulk is not undefeatable, magic, intellect are all ways to defeat him. physically too if it suits the story. however what hulk as a character has is the ability to do the impossible with unlimited amounts of strength that are godly at times. if odin is not using magic then physically hulk has the potential to beat him, as he has anyone physically. this is what he was created to do. not in every comic or story i grant you. but when the chips are down and the end is near that is when he supes up to , well... incredible proportions.
another fact is i believe his fights with namour have usually been a tie or hulk winning with the excuse namour is out of water. and if you still believe the likes of herc or namour are on the same physical level of hulk then my friend you need to look at surgery to enlarge that clit of a penis of yours
Ill hear you only when you -show scans- and proof for every garbage can you open when you start typing. Devil Hulk and CC when they dont agree with me at least do that. Thats how you win some credit.
Until then your just a dummie who doenst know jack.
"if odin is not using magic then physically hulk has the potential to beat him, as he has anyone physically"
For the last time a list of pll Hulk never beat physically at full power:
Hercules and Hulk haven't fought since Hulk beat up Half-God Herc.
Thanos is friggin Thanos. Hulk doesn't have the firepower or the brains to beat him in an all out battle, and even in a physical match, it would be close.
Silver Surfer is way too versatile and durable for Hulk. He wouldn't wrestle with him. He would blast him into a Texas sized crater.
Thor has Mjolnir, one of the most powerful magical artifacts in existence. Hulk has had no problem physically outmatching him.
Black Bolt can whisper, and blast Hulk into the next state.
Hulk can become stronger than anyone. He cannot beat everyone.
The fact that Hulk hasn't beaten an individual doesn't mean that he isn't stronger than them. Strength isn't what
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