2. Simus was shown to be strong there, that's true....however, seriously, top ten? He got killed in a low scale ambush...and Ragnos mostly allowed him on the council to drive the point home of what he'd lost.
3. Naga's weaponry was not unique to him. All of his unique toys were created with force sensitive crystals....he was also an exceptional fool and shown to be not very strong when he wasn't using his toys-when you can't overcome Ludo Kressh in a duel, respect goes down...I can't see Sadow comparing to NJO Luke, DE Sidious....or any of the Dark Lords before him
4. Ludo...? We also don't know much about Ajunta or Tulak...
5. Nadd above DE Sidious? Above Exar Kun? when was Nadd shown to be powerful? Nadd was a self declared Dark Lord with no opposition minus a bunch of primitive exiles who should not have given him a hard time with his forces...he never 'conquered' Onderon either...he imrpessed the natives with the Dark Side, they revered him and he had them build Iziz while fending off the beasts for them
6. Yes, Kun's good....overrated beyond belief, but good-it's the ponytail, always the ponytail...
7. Nihilius's power wasn't something he could rule: He was a shell of a being ruled by the hunger.
8. Yeah, tRaya's good....but I don't see her above Revan.
9. I really don't think DE Sidious should be so low...his feats of power in the DE trilogy are nothing short of amazing, and he was personally invited to join the other Sith on Korriban-an honor not given since Marka. The DE sourcebook describes him as the strongest Sith who ever lived, and unlike the ancient Sith, he achieved what he did without any use of force items in the use.
10. Yeah, this works ok for Revan...maybe some reworking, but eh
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Nihilus pwned Kreia without using his force drain. He also pwned Sion.
Kreia Pwns sion.
Kreia Pwns three jedi masters before she even used the force drain.
Nihilus > Kreia > three jedi masters.
Now, are you going to tell me with the proof we have that Revan's FORCE MASTERY outstrips either of those two? No. It may very well be the case, but we don't have anything to suggest it. Canonically, he has force choked, and that's it.
Nihilus pwned Kreia without using his force drain?
How is this?
She literally says she couldn't defend herself against that technique when he attacked her. He just didn't kill her, but he did that more often so thats nothing special.
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Erm... he just force pushed her. And she said verbatim "There are techniques in the Force against which there is no defense." Unless that was a super secret Nihilus unique special force push, it's just a regular one, and he pwned her with it. She was casts down and the force stripped from her.
You honestly believe that Nihilus could have defeated her with a normal force push? Kreia was freaking amazing with the force, a push would not have helped.
And its very clear that she means Nihilus his attack when she says that, the only reason she says that is to show the power Nihilus had. The power he used to cast her down. Power against which there is no defence.
And indeed the force was stripped from her, why would Nihilus waste time doing that? Why not juts eat it, with Kreia being as powerful as she was. Why would Nihilus ever fight without his technique? He has no real reason for it.
I agree with Fishy at this post. Kreia even tried to pull in her lightsaber after she was force pushed, with all her mastery of the force she must be able to call her lightsaber who was lying almost next to her, but she couldent.
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I'm not aware of force-push being defendable.
does'nt matter how amazing you are with the force, some powers are undefendable, force-push being one of them., which is what she meant.
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The problem is, you have no proof that it was anything other than a normal force push. Yes Kreia was an impressive force user, but Nihilus was simply stronger.
And as far as calling her lightsaber goes, she may have amazing mastery of the force, but she's still a women in her 60-70's, getting thrown into a solid wall with any amount of force is going to take quite a bit out of her.
Yeah, but physically she was beat. Getting tossed off your feat and thrown into solid rock will take anyone down a peg, especially an old women, force or no.
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