Cap was said to be the GREATEST h2h fighter not the BEST...just like how Batman is called the GREATEST h2h fighter in DCU. But we know better than that. The "GREATEST" tag is something that comes with status in their Universe...the respect they also command.
Shang Chi on the other hand is the best in Marvel.
I get what youre saying. Although usually when i hear GREATEST of all time, im thinking BEST ever.
I also persoanlly think Cap, DD, Elektra and maaaybe Iron Fist can beat Shang-Chi. Although Shang and Fist have stalemated before. Ill concede that Shang is the best at Kung-Fu, but not at MA's or fighting. But thats just me.
Technically speaking Richard Dragon is superior to Shiva in pure h2h skill. A fight between the two is almost to close to call but you need to keep in mind that unlike Shiva, Richard Dragon doesn't have the ability to read his opponents body language. If the dramatic drop in skill that Cass suffered when she lost her body reading talent is any indication on Shiva then Richard Dragon would walk all over her in combat if she didn't have it... like 10/10 ownage.
On that note Elektra is easily the equal of Shiva in skill (and she has extra abilities that Shiva doesnt have the luxury of possesing). Elekta even has some degree of body reading ability as well (it was mentioned by some random sensie in a flash back). I would give Elektra 6-7/10 odds against Shiva... and Bullseye held his own against both Elektra and Daredevil at the same time.
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I would give Shang or Iron Fis the slight edge against Elektra (6-7/10) in melee combat as they can amp their stats with their chi. With out chi ampage I would give Elektra the slight edge. Cap could win maybe 4/10 against Chi in pure melee (no sheild).
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Shang Chi is a beast in h2h. I have an issue of MoKF where Shang Chi is like 14 and he is fighting a group of highly skilled assassins... and he beats the crap out of them. But while he is fighting their leader he is moving so fast that the guy can't even see some of Shangs moves. And he is exponentially better now then he was at 14. He has beaten half a dozen monks who where all "masters of ever form martial arts" before... the guy is unstoppable.
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Elektra getting killed by Bullseye drops her in rankings in my book.
She is a tremendous fighter, but not in the class of Shiva.
With that said, one again I say that Shiva beats Bullseye, for all the reasons I stated earlier, which I have added to this post.
In Marvel vs DC, Bullseye finds himself in the batcave, and holds Robin captive.
Bullseye throws a sharp weapon at Batman, who much to Bullseye's amazement, dodges the weapon and clobbers Bullseye.
The soon to be unconscious Bullseye says to Batman, "You hit harder that Daredevil".
The point... though Bullseye's aim is his greatest strength, he does miss from time to time, depending on the person he is fighting.
Batman has stated in "A Death in the Family" that Lady Shiva is his equal, if not better than him in the martial arts and skills. Bullseye is a great fighter, but he is no Batman in the fight department, let alone Shiva.
I am a Bullseye fan, but Lady Shiva, I feel, would take this fight.
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Shiva doesn't even need paper clips... Bullseye isn't very impressive in the h2h department, Shiva will end up killing him with a touch if she can get there. My first post was exaggerated, but I think she should be able to close a fair amount of distance more often than not. It really does depend on how far they start from each other.
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Read Elektra's MK series the girls a beast. In one issue she throws her sai into the barrel of a gun with so much force that the shooters own handed is ripped off... and send propelling through his chest with out slowing down.
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on the rule of "no non-canon source". You should find this helpful in almost every comic boards out there cause they share the same rule.
Of course i might be generalizing crossovers, there are some crossovers that might count if they are in continuity/canon and recognized by the companies involved.
I'm not saying that she won't beat him eventually in hand to hand combat, but it is goign to take her some work and she won't come out unscratched. The problem is that, Hand to hand is her only chance to win. Where as Bullseye cna win at range and up close.
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